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Old 10-20-2012, 04:35 PM
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That is VERY interesting.

The fact that he had the CB (Companion of the Bath - not far below a knighthood) shows that he was not against honours per se.

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Old 10-20-2012, 04:54 PM
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Hi All,

Monro received the CB in the 1887 Queen's Birthday Honours, whereas Edward Jenkinson, whom Monro had helped displace as Britain's "spymaster-general", was awarded the KCB.

Robert Anderson received the KCB in the 1901 King's Birthday Honours—thirteen years to the day after the Millers Court murder.

Lucky for some.

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James Monro C.B., variously described as an honest and decent man, badly blotted his copybook during the Cleveland Street affair.

A family account tells of him being offered a knighthood [KCB] as an inducement to toe the government line—something we know he refused to do.

Monro's resignation had little to do with pensions, and Lord Salisbury, in writing about the matter to Queen Victoria, really stuck the boot in about him.

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Hello Simon, all,

Thank you for your postings, tha above is indeed most interesting. Simon, if you have the chance to post the "putting the boot in" quote from Salisbury to the Queen, I'd be most interested in seeing it. And when was this exactly?

Phil H, Tom, Lynn, Robert, Sally, Simon.. am I mistaken when I presume that the memoirs have never been seen in full? Do we know whom to apply to or through which channel to ask the family in order to see the memoirs? I am sure they make very interesting reading, though not referrring to JTR, the WM etc.
Perhaps Adam Wood could get into contact with Keith Skinner and propose the above to the family, a la Swanson Marginalia history?

In trying to understand Monro the man a little better, it would be of great help, I believe. The political ongoings behind the scenes are varied and often at this time.

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Hi All,

James Monro C.B., variously described as an honest and decent man, badly blotted his copybook during the Cleveland Street affair.

A family account tells of him being offered a knighthood [KCB] as an inducement to toe the government line—something we know he refused to do.

Monro's resignation had little to do with pensions, and Lord Salisbury, in writing about the matter to Queen Victoria, really stuck the boot in about him.

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Simon
Hello Simon,

Four questions.

1)Was it Monro who brought in Abberline to the Cleveland Street Affair?

2)What exactly was the government line in reference to the affair? Was it the protection of the various titled gentlemen involved?

3) Am I correct in saying it was reported in an American newspaper the involvement of PAV, re Cleveland St?

4) Can this(3) be something that refers be a part of the answer to question 2?

Thanks in advance.

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Hi All,

The Monro writings have been referenced by a number of authors, though never reproduced in full.

As they appear to be neither a state secret nor particularly contentious a Ripperologist "Monro" edition would be most welcome.

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Hello Phil. Thanks.

"am I mistaken when I presume that the memoirs have never been seen in full?"

I think that a couple of ripper researchers have seen them in toto.

Cheers.
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Hello Phil. Thanks.

"am I mistaken when I presume that the memoirs have never been seen in full?"

I think that a couple of ripper researchers have seen them in toto.

Cheers.
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Hello Lynn,

Thanks for the reply...Do you know of any particular reason, or does anyone for that matter..why these memoirs cannot be perused over by the general Ripperological public?

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Hello Phil. Thanks.

No, unless they contain personal items.

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"perused over"

Christ Phil...as one grammar school boy to another you ought to be ashamed

All the best

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Old 10-21-2012, 04:14 AM
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Hi all,

According to Monro family tradition, there are two memoirs, the one that doesn't mention the Ripper (or other high profile cases), and was apparently intended for public consumption...and a second memoir intended for the family and 'insiders', which contained all of Monro's secrets regarding the Ripper, Cleveland Street, and who knows what else. The former memoir certainly exists and copies are in the hands of Keith Skinner, and I would wager one or two other Ripper researchers. The latter memoir is probably apocryphal, but oh what a read it would make if it actually existed!

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