Casebook: Jack the Ripper - Main
   

Introduction
Victims
Suspects
Witnesses
Ripper Letters
Police Officials
Official Documents
Press Reports
Victorian London
Message Boards
Ripper Media
Authors
Dissertations
Timelines
Games & Diversions
Photo Archive
Ripper Wiki
Casebook Examiner
Ripper Podcast
About the Casebook

Most Recent Posts:
Motive, Method and Madness: Same motive = same killer - by Joshua Rogan 16 minutes ago.
Mary Jane Kelly: A theory about some injuries! - by Michael W Richards 20 minutes ago.
Motive, Method and Madness: Same motive = same killer - by Jon Guy 27 minutes ago.
A6 Murders: A6 Rebooted - by OneRound 34 minutes ago.
Mary Jane Kelly: A theory about some injuries! - by Harry D 41 minutes ago.
A6 Murders: A6 Rebooted - by NickB 44 minutes ago.

Most Popular Threads:
Maybrick, James: Acquiring A Victorian Diary - (36 posts)
Mary Jane Kelly: A theory about some injuries! - (21 posts)
Conferences and Meetings: American Jack the Ripper - True Crime Conference, Baltimore, April 7-8, 2018 - (14 posts)
Motive, Method and Madness: Same motive = same killer - (11 posts)
Witnesses: Why doubt a soldier murdered Tabram? - (9 posts)
Tumblety, Francis: Tumblety - Hermaphrodite. - (7 posts)

Wiki Updates:
Robert Sagar
Edit: Chris
May 9, 2015, 12:32 am
Online newspaper archives
Edit: Chris
Nov 26, 2014, 10:25 am
Joseph Lawende
Edit: Chris
Mar 9, 2014, 10:12 am
Miscellaneous research resources
Edit: Chris
Feb 13, 2014, 9:28 am
Charles Cross
Edit: John Bennett
Sep 4, 2013, 8:20 pm

Most Recent Blogs:
Mike Covell: A DECADE IN THE MAKING.
February 19, 2016, 11:12 am.
Chris George: RipperCon in Baltimore, April 8-10, 2016
February 10, 2016, 2:55 pm.
Mike Covell: Hull Prison Visit
October 10, 2015, 8:04 am.
Mike Covell: NEW ADVENTURES IN RESEARCH
August 9, 2015, 3:10 am.
Mike Covell: UPDDATES FOR THE PAST 11 MONTHS
November 14, 2014, 10:02 am.
Mike Covell: Mike’s Book Releases
March 17, 2014, 3:18 am.

Go Back   Casebook Forums > Ripper Discussions > Police Officials and Procedures > General Police Discussion

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1  
Old 10-07-2017, 09:23 AM
The Station Cat The Station Cat is offline
Detective
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 355
Default Worship Street Police Court

Ladies/Gents,

Has anyone ever done any research of the records of the Worship Street Police Court?

How far do they go back (do they cover 1888-1891)?

How easy are they to search?
Quick reply to this message Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 10-07-2017, 09:48 AM
Wickerman Wickerman is offline
Commisioner
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 8,824
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Station Cat View Post
Ladies/Gents,

Has anyone ever done any research of the records of the Worship Street Police Court?

How far do they go back (do they cover 1888-1891)?

How easy are they to search?
I don't believe they exist as a separate file collection.
Courts typically kept files from cases for several weeks, and sent them for archiving periodically - like say, every six weeks?
All the courts in London sent in their files in bundles. They likely exist at the L. M. A. (London Metropolitan Archive), but you cannot request them by the name of the court, because they are mixed in with all the other court records. Plus, they are filed by the date of the receipt of that bundle, not by the court date of the trial/inquest.
This makes it very confusing for researchers.

I've been through the process
__________________
Regards, Jon S.
Quick reply to this message Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 10-07-2017, 12:19 PM
Robert Robert is offline
Casebook Supporter
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 4,668
Default

It is possible to search the Find My Past criminal records for Worship St. Most results cover five or six years in the 1890s.
Quick reply to this message Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 10-08-2017, 12:38 AM
The Station Cat The Station Cat is offline
Detective
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 355
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wickerman View Post
I don't believe they exist as a separate file collection.
Courts typically kept files from cases for several weeks, and sent them for archiving periodically - like say, every six weeks?
All the courts in London sent in their files in bundles. They likely exist at the L. M. A. (London Metropolitan Archive), but you cannot request them by the name of the court, because they are mixed in with all the other court records. Plus, they are filed by the date of the receipt of that bundle, not by the court date of the trial/inquest.
This makes it very confusing for researchers.

I've been through the process

Many thanks Wickerman, looks like I'll have to shelve that idea.

I'm going down to Whitechapel again at the end of the month, I was going to see if I could view the archives during my visit .
Quick reply to this message Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 10-08-2017, 12:39 AM
The Station Cat The Station Cat is offline
Detective
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 355
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert View Post
It is possible to search the Find My Past criminal records for Worship St. Most results cover five or six years in the 1890s.
Thanks for the tip Robert, but that's a little bit too late for the period I was hoping for.
Quick reply to this message Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 10-08-2017, 12:41 AM
The Station Cat The Station Cat is offline
Detective
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 355
Default

Just a thought what about local papers do archives survive for them?

Where are they and what papers should I be looking at for the Whitechapel, Bethnal Green areas?
Quick reply to this message Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 10-08-2017, 04:03 AM
etenguy etenguy is offline
Detective
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 130
Default

Hi Station Cat

There is the British Newspaper Archives, housed through the British Library, I think. They have an on-line searchable database. ( Link https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/ ) and I believe you can order papers to be viewed in the Reading room at the British Library (after going through some hoops).

These archives certainly include the 1880s. There is a free option but allows only three searches. Otherwise there are paid for options.
Quick reply to this message Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 10-08-2017, 04:14 AM
Wickerman Wickerman is offline
Commisioner
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 8,824
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Station Cat View Post
Just a thought what about local papers do archives survive for them?

Where are they and what papers should I be looking at for the Whitechapel, Bethnal Green areas?
Try local libraries, some do have local papers archived.
If that fails contact the nearest town hall.
__________________
Regards, Jon S.
Quick reply to this message Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 10-08-2017, 10:28 AM
The Station Cat The Station Cat is offline
Detective
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 355
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wickerman View Post
Try local libraries, some do have local papers archived.
If that fails contact the nearest town hall.


Many thanks Wickerman, I'll give Bethnal Green library a try!!



etenguy, thanks also for the link.
Quick reply to this message Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 11-06-2017, 08:43 AM
The Station Cat The Station Cat is offline
Detective
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 355
Default

Went to Bethnal Green library.

They have several newspapers from the period on microfiche.

East London Observer
East London News
East London Advertiser
Eastern Argus and Bethnal Green Times
Hackney Standard
Eastern Post

I looked through the East London Observer for the entire year of 1888. There was a regular feature that covered Police Court cases of interest. Unfortunately from a research point of view, although the cases related to H Division and K Division, I could find no cases where the officer involved was named, they always seemed to just document their collar number.

Eastern Argus was the same but concentrated on J Division.



What was interesting was that I found another article about PC's MURPHY and GORDEN, who appeared in Tom WESCOTT's Bank Holiday Murders, if anyone's read that. The article appeared in the 22nd Sept 1888 addition. It appears these two constables must have worked together on a regular basis. They attempted to arrest a known burglar in the Feather Public House Virginia Road, Bethnal Green. Murphy sustaining a serious beating for his troubles. What was interesting I thought was that this article is reporting on something not relating to Jack the Ripper, which would appear to evidence that life in the area went on as pretty much normal despite Jack.

Another thing that I did notice whilst looking through all the papers was the fact that all the articles relating to Jack the Ripper in these local papers, weren't front page news as I'd always believed, but appeared within the papers as small articles, which could be easily missed if you were scan reading the paper.
Quick reply to this message Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 06:03 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.