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Old 10-11-2017, 01:08 PM
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Yes that is an interesting fact, not new but highlighted again,
Your suggestion is perfectly plausible; but so is the one that he was possibly living, killing and certainly disposing of the body parts there in West London with no other motive other than using near by locations for this.

Would be so easy to start debating this at length, but we need more evidence of some kind or we will just go round in circles.

Reading it all, in batches while I write up other thing
It's an interesting thread with some good ideas from all angles, if something new does come up then I may join in more.


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Shoosh. Just look away for a sec, will you?
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Old 10-11-2017, 01:14 PM
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I said that dumping bodies in a river is comparatively discreet compared to ripping bodies open and removing organs on a public street with the police breathing down your neck... a perfectly reasonable, and justifiable statement to make. Not "silly" in the least.
To be honest, what you said was this:

"I see rather the opposite in the torso cases, namely a practical disposal mechanism that bordered on the discreet; much like flushing one's waste down the toilet."

No specific mentioning of the river dumpings there, Gareth. And he dumped parts in many other places.

If you don´t think that these other dumpings "bordered on the discreet", then we may finally be getting somewhere.
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I don't see Fisherman's suggestion that the torso killers dumped bits of people in the Thames "to maximise the odds of their being found" or "wanted them to pass by central London" as being in the least bit plausible. They're utterly wacky.
torso man was a wacky guy
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I don't see Fisherman's suggestion that the torso killers dumped bits of people in the Thames "to maximise the odds of their being found" or "wanted them to pass by central London" as being in the least bit plausible. They're utterly wacky.

Hi Gareth,
I understand your view.
Unlikely I tend to agree, don't think that makes it implausible.

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Sam Flynn: You didn't. I just didn't want people getting the impression that, by your describing it as "common ground", you meant that it was a busy public area, which it wasn't.

I made no such call or implication at all. I noted that it was common ground and it WAS common ground. The problem was that others spoke of Nilsen having made the bonfore in his backyard. I like to get things righ if I can.

They were attracted by the bonfire. Kids often are.

As are other people. You don´t have to be a kid to go look at a bonfire, you know.

I don't, but if you believe it was "very public", it's you who needs to re-think.

Just as I never spoke of Hampsted Heath, thank you very much, I never said the spot was "very public" (no quotation marks required, since I never said it). It was public enough for people to be drawn to the bonfire and if three kids could come there, then so could all and sundry, I´m afraid.
Now, please, PLEASE, don´t go claiming on my behalf that I said that all and sundry DID come and see it!
I am saying that no, Nilsen did not make the fire in his backyard, but instead on common ground, and that people arrived to stand by as the victims went up in smoke.

As far as I can see, that was the exact thing that happened.
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torso man was a wacky guy
A fair enough observation. But if he wanted maximum attention for what he did, then it would be anything but whacky to float the parts through central London, where most of them would be (and indeed were) found.

Frustration is not a good thing to bring into a discussion, I think we may agree on that.

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there is no "almost certainly" involved in your suggestion. I think you will find that most people believe that it is a near certainty that the killer was looking for recognition of his work in some way
If the killers had wanted guaranteed recognition, they'd almost certainly have left the body parts in more prominent places, instead of dumping them in a river, chucking them in canals or stashing them in underground vaults and railway arches.
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Would be so easy to start debating this at length, but we need more evidence of some kind or we will just go round in circles.

Steve
Actually, the common view today is very much divided into two camps, championed by roughly the same amount of posters, I should think.

Ten years ago, the shared identity camp was off boundaries and nobody was allowed to enter it.

That is massive progress, and a very good sign of how sense is beginning to get the better of the somewhat stale old ideas.
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torso man was a wacky guy
The torso men might have been wacky, but doesn't excuse OUR wacky reasoning.
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