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Old 11-19-2010, 08:32 PM
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Does squealing have to be taken literally or could it mean that she was killed just like a pig with no mercy?

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Taken with the previous statement in The Dear boss letter of "I gave the lady no time to squeal" and the full statement in the postcard "squealed abit couldn't finish staright off" to me makes it clear he meant literally yell or cry out.
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Because he had already seen an early press report of the killings. Stride's death was very quick anatomically speaking, she was finished very quickly. Dave
Would this effectively mean that the letter writier was a journalist who saw the news before it went out into the public domain - or were there early editions out on the streets early enough for it to have come from a member of the public? Does anybody know?

And if there were such early editions, does anybody know which ones they were?

It seems to me that the answer, if possible to acquire, might be helpful here.
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Hello Sally, it has been sussed out as a possibility, and it is here on casebook. I came across it years ago, when my memory functioned even more poorly and cannot remember where. Perhaps one of our peers will take pity on us and help. Dave
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Hello Sally, it has been sussed out as a possibility, and it is here on casebook. I came across it years ago, when my memory functioned even more poorly and cannot remember where. Perhaps one of our peers will take pity on us and help. Dave
Hello Dave - I should have expected that somebody would have already had a go at this. I hope that somebody remembers where it is - it would be interesting to know.
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Hello Dave - I should have expected that somebody would have already had a go at this. I hope that somebody remembers where it is - it would be interesting to know.
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I can see if the description of strides murder in the paper was detailed enough that it described just a cut throat that the letter writer would have been able to know from that to write "could not finish straight off".

however, how did he know "she squealed a bit"? This comes from Israel Scwartz testimoney which i beleive was not in any of the papers before the Saucey jacky postcard was sent. So ,how did he know? Lucky guess? Was the Israel Scwartz testimoney traveling word of mouth and in such detail?
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I can see if the description of strides murder in the paper was detailed enough that it described just a cut throat that the letter writer would have been able to know from that to write "could not finish straight off".

however, how did he know "she squealed a bit"? This comes from Israel Scwartz testimoney which i beleive was not in any of the papers before the Saucey jacky postcard was sent. So ,how did he know? Lucky guess? Was the Israel Scwartz testimoney traveling word of mouth and in such detail
Hi Abby - possibly - maybe that's right - the postcard writer had heard about it. Or maybe he was the killer. Or, look at it another way - perhaps the squealing concurrence isn't as significant as it seems. It's a fairly common term. The writer knew about the 'Double Event', obviously.

Of course, the question is, how? This is why it's important to know which, if any, papers were out on the streets in time to be read before that postcard was written - for if none, then it effectively rules out an ordinary, paper-reading member of the public.

If that were the case, you would be left with a journalist, or other person with privileged knowledge. One such person could, of course, be the killer himself.

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If that were the case, you would be left with a journalist, or other person with privileged knowledge. One such person could, of course, be the killer himself.
Another could be one of the two private investigators who latched on to Schwartz quite early in the piece.

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Regarding the bit about "number one squealed a bit", I thought that Philip Sugden dealt with this well when he pointed out that

1. We don't know for sure that Stride did cry out. Of all four witnesses, only Schwartz claimed she cried out and Schwartz may have been unreliable (e,g. he could have been mistaken about the time. Even if he was only 10 minutes out then he probably did not see Stride with her killer).

2. Even if Stride did cry out, this is the typical kind of vagueness that hoaxers rely on as it can be easily adapted/interpreted to fit a favoured theory.

I think we might as well ask why, if Schwartz was right, the postcard made no mention of any witnesses. You might have expected a boast. The point is, I think, that none of the details provided were specific enough to be very convincing, not to the police at the time or to most modern researchers.
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I believed for over 25 years that this and the dear boss letter were genuine sadly I've come to the conclusion they are fake.If the killer wrote these communications to add to the shock value he could quite easily enclose something like a small piece of the victims clothes or indeed an ear or two to prove beyond doubt it is genuine.who would know about news agencies a journalist would the average man in the street would address the communications to a well known paper something like"the Times London" would get it there .Also would our killer give the police his handwriting I don't think so .
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Pinkmoon I agree. I also initially thought the letters were from the real killer. But my first book on JTR by Colin Wilson and Robin Odell and while I absolutely loved it, a lot of the impressions it made turned out to be canards.

I now think that the Saucy Jack Postcard and Dear Boss letters are hoaxes by admittedly enterprising journalists. The Lusk Letter is more likely to be genuine, simply because there is something more concrete to go on, but I wouldn't bet my house on it.
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