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Old 11-17-2015, 01:54 PM
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Pierre - to develop your hypotheses further with regard to Prater...

"Hypotheses for this:

1. Prater was scared after the murder of Kelly and wanted everybody to believe she had a man there to protect her if the murder would aim at her or come back."

Likelihood - quite high I would have thought. She might not know this but if JTR knew her name and location then he knew her circumstances and would not have been put off by the statement.

"2. Prater was actually waiting for a client but didn't want to say that."

Likelihood - again quite high. Further possibility - the client/visitor was actually JTR but he arrived too late.


"3. The man didn´t show up so he wasn´t interested in her (anymore)."

See 2

"4. The source isn't reliable."

Prater stated this under oath at the inquest. She may have lied (and she did not say this in her statement to Police apparently).

"Perhaps you can come to think of more hypotheses."

a) JTR was put off for a time by the presence of Hutchinson.
b) JTR was in the lodging house and didn't want to pass Hutch.
c) Prater wasn't an intended victim.


About the barricading of the door: if there had been any other serious obstacles on the way to her room she wouldn´t have needed to barricade the door.

Response - I'm not so sure - in her position I would have made doubly sure no one could gain entry.
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I think what MysterySinger is getting at Pierre is that you posted:

They contain:

A confession
A strong motive for the murders
A strong motive for taunting the police
A strong motive for spoiling Lord Mayor´s Day*
A personal motive for the choice of the 9th November*

*(these assumptions are not drawn from the metaphorical source I have discussed with you.)


One possible interpretation of this is that the three assumptions not starred with an asterisk ARE drawn from the metaphorical source you have discussed with us.

I don't think you actually meant to say that but perhaps you might like to confirm.
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Yeah that's where I was coming from David. The assumption I made was that the first 3 in the list were from metaphorical sources. Whether that was what Pierre meant to indicate I can't say.
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I might be wrong but I think what he was trying to do was make clear that the last two assumptions, which we might have thought came from the (metaphorical) letter, were not from the letter.

Whether the confession is in plain English or in code or in some other form of metaphorical language, however, is currently uncertain.

Perhaps he will confirm for us.
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I'm wondering Pierre, what prevents you from posting the full text of the purported 'confession' on this forum, redacting any real names or places as appropriate.

If you are here in good faith and not fabricating the existence of this 'confession' I would expect nothing less than for the text of it to be revealed without any further ado.
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The assumption I made was that the first 3 in the list were from metaphorical sources. Whether that was what Pierre meant to indicate I can't say.
Hi,

giving the answer to that here:

These are not from the metaphorical source:

A confession
A strong motive for the murders
A strong motive for taunting the police
A strong motive for spoiling Lord Mayor´s Day
A personal motive for the choice of the 9th November

They all have their own sources and these sources haven´t got anything at all to do with the metaphorical text in the newspapers.

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Old 12-03-2015, 03:33 PM
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David - you are missing the important information here.

And please reconsider your own hypothesis of a killer writing the actual adress of his next crime to the police.

I´ll get back to you when you have given that some thought.

Regards Pierre
Is this address 26 Dorset Street, or 13 Millers Court...because only 1 of them would be accurate. Although Marys room was the original salon in #26, at the time of her death, the room belonged to only Millers Court.
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Is this address 26 Dorset Street, or 13 Millers Court...because only 1 of them would be accurate. Although Marys room was the original salon in #26, at the time of her death, the room belonged to only Millers Court.
It is 13 Millers Court. And 20, Prater's room.

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