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One mystery of JTR is that he resided in very crowded areas and yet no one recognized nor remembered him. Perhaps we can use our everyday experience to understand this. Throughout our lives we meet countless people, and some are just more memorable than others, while some are less so. Some are so unmemorable that it is hard for you to remember them. You may meet them and talk to them on occasion, but they may not engage you in conversations at all, may not make proper eye contacts, may speak in unengaging tone, and most importantly, may not convey any emotional connection in human encounters. We call this "rolling stones that gather no moss", and JTR might have been the same way. He might not have intentionally shied away from people. But he might have failed to engage others because he lacked the social skills to do so. He might have even seemed normal instead of appearing obviously mad, which would have gained him people's attention. He was unlikely to be assertive in conversations, thus unlikely to upset anyone. Some might have even thought him harmless as a result. In short, JTR might have been unexceptional and unmemorable in every way to the point of being transparent, invisible, and ignored by others. Of course, some of us like solitude. But ironically, I believe the Ripper did not. Being transparent, invisible, and ignored by everyone might have fueled his resentment towards society. But it might also have gained him the anonymity he needed to do his deeds. Thus, we have all the ingredients of JTR: unsociable, invisible, seemingly harmless, and yet resentful, which might have led to hatred.

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One mystery of JTR is that he resided in very crowded areas and yet no one recognized nor remembered him. Perhaps we can use our everyday experience to understand this. Throughout our lives we meet countless people, and some are just more memorable than others, while some are less so. Some are so unmemorable that it is hard for you to remember them. You may meet them and talk to them on occasion, but they may not engage you in conversations at all, may not make proper eye contacts, may speak in unengaging tone, and most importantly, may not convey any emotional connection in human encounters. We call this "rolling stones that gather no moss", and JTR might have been the same way. He might not have intentionally shied away from people. But he might have failed to engage others because he lacked the social skills to do so. He might have even seemed normal instead of appearing obviously mad, which would have gained him people's attention. He was unlikely to be assertive in conversations, thus unlikely to upset anyone. Some might have even thought him harmless as a result. In short, JTR might have been unexceptional and unmemorable in every way to the point of being transparent, invisible, and ignored by others. Of course, some of us like solitude. But ironically, I believe the Ripper did not. Being transparent, invisible, and ignored by everyone might have fueled his resentment towards society. But it might also have gained him the anonymity he needed to do his deeds. Thus, we have all the ingredients of JTR: unsociable, invisible, seemingly harmless, and yet resentful, which might have led to hatred.

Save we have no idea where he lived.
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Save we have no idea where he lived.
He probably never told that to anyone. Or perhaps he did but no one remembered, because no one cared. He was the sort of person that people didn't really pay attention to for one reason or another. There were likely warning signs, of course, but no one noticed. Some of the most heinous killers in history were the same way.
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We do have one clue as to where the Ripper lived: the location of the apron relative to the Eddowes murder scene. He was fleeing into Whitechapel.
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We do have one clue as to where the Ripper lived: the location of the apron relative to the Eddowes murder scene. He was fleeing into Whitechapel.
Maybe, or smart enough to mislead, or killer didn't drop it there or....
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Maybea, or smart enough to mislead
That's what I reckon.

Red herring of sorts.
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Save we have no idea where he lived.
I would put him in the "wicked quarter mile", not far from Commercial Street and Whitechapel Road.

Every women killed, not only the canonical five, but if you go as far as Emily Horsnell, and include Millwood, Smith and Tabram, at the time of their death, lived 100 feet from the intersection.

He stalked them from home.
The only exception being Eddowes, but JtR, running away from the "failed" attack on Stride got away from the Met's jurisdiction, and when seeing Eddowes getting out of the Police Station, he couldn't help himself.
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Whitechapel. Well, wherever that was, because what exactly constituted Whitechapel, in 1888, is difficult to define!

In other words, methinks JtR was a maurauder, not a commuter.

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