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View Poll Results: "Oh, Murder!" Who Exclaimed it?
Mary Kelly 20 76.92%
An Unknown Person Who Discovered the Body 0 0%
Who Cares? It Happened but is Completely Unrelated 5 19.23%
Nobody. Prater's Mind Played a Trick on Her 1 3.85%
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Old 01-10-2010, 09:26 AM
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Default Oh, Murder!

As I see it, there are at least four possible interpretations:

1. It was gasped by Mary Kelly during the attack.

2. It came from someone who discovered the murder.

3. Someone said it, but it was completely unrelated to the case.

4. Prater's account can be chalked up to an instance of suggestibility. Having found out that a murder had occurred the night before, Prater's memory was primed. The night before, something startled her and the cat at 4 am. But by the morning (and the info), she quite unintentionally recollected some other noise as "Oh, Murder!" That is, her mind played a trick on her.

As previously stated by others (including myself), "Oh, Murder!" is an odd thing to say upon being attacked by Jack the Ripper. On the other hand, discoverers of previous victims (Nicholls, Chapman, Stride) immediately went searching for the police. If #2 is true, why did the person not come forward. #3 is problematic to me because it just seems like too much of a coincidence. In the end, I think it is either #1 or #4. What do others think?
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Old 01-10-2010, 11:20 AM
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Hello Barnaby!

I think, that it was either MJK herself or something related to someone else!

The problem is; why there are no records about a simultaneous incident in the same neighbourhood?!

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Old 01-10-2010, 11:43 AM
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Hi,

I'm not allowed to vote yet, however my choice would be Mary Kelly, with alternative #2 as a second guess. But the point has already been made: why wouldn't that person come forward?

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Hi every one.

I think it was MJK who said "Oh, Murder" i also think she was asleep when he attacked her and awoke to a figure looming over her. I also agree that it seems unlikely the call came from someone in the vicinity. If that was so, why did they not go to the police?

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Hi Katt, and welcome,

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I think it was MJK who said "Oh, Murder"
That is most probably what happened, I agree.

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i also think she was asleep when he attacked her and awoke to a figure looming over her.
A possibility...

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I also agree that it seems unlikely the call came from someone in the vicinity. If that was so, why did they not go to the police?
People in this area didn't bother when they heard such calls. As stated by Mrs Reeves and the Hewitts, in August.
Had Mary shouted out "Jack the Ripper !!"...

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Thank you for the welcome.

ah, that explains it then. Yes i think "jack the ripper" would have been better to shout out. Although if i heard someone shout that even now i think i would run very far away!

katt
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Although if i heard someone shout that even now i think i would run very far away!

katt
I wouldn't, thinking of the reward.

Seriously, I think Mary hadn't enough time to realize it was the Ripper, especially if, as in my opinion, she knew the man very well.

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Old 01-11-2010, 07:51 PM
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Hello you all!

Well, if she suddenly woke up to an attack, she didn't have a second to think about, who it was! Not to mention about the content of her cry for help!

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