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Old 04-22-2013, 06:43 PM
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No but you do need to explain how precisely Sickert writing a letter distinguishes him from the other hundreds of people who wrote letters claiming to be from Jack the Ripper. They can't all be Jack the Ripper, so therefore, someone having written a letter is irrelevant and meaningless when it comes to establishing who was Jack.

I am not entirely sure you understand the concept of Occam's Razor, since you misuse it, quite egregiously. Nothing in what you wrote illustrates the principle you cite.
I'm not so sure that there were 'hundreds' of letters written by different people. I believe they were written by a very small group.

Some of the first gives us our best clue... (from memory)it was sent to a news agency, so as to gain a wider audience. Not something the common man does.

This leads us, again using Occam's Razor, to the simple solution: it was an attempt to sell newspapers, while being vague enough so as not to lead to the newsman's employer.

Sickert felt compelled to 'join the party.'
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Old 04-22-2013, 06:44 PM
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BTCG,

The usefulness of a cup is in its emptiness. You're at the right place to dialogue and debate, but empty your cup and standbye for some things you may not have known about Cornwell and Sickert.

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Old 04-22-2013, 06:48 PM
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BTCG,

I'm sorry for being a bit negative about your conclusion, I just find it mind-boggling that this kind of conclusion can still be arrived at. Even if the only book you ever read was Cornwell's; you still shouldn't be able to arrive at that conclusion!

Besides, didn't you know...Van Gogh is the Ripper
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Old 04-22-2013, 06:49 PM
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Hello BTCG,

I think we may have crossed paths on this matter before?

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. Where do I start?

Firstly, I'd like to ask you, have you ever studied Sickert's life outside that written about him by Cornwell? Have you, for example, read any of his personal letters? By this, I mean those he wrote to friends such as Virginia Woolf? These reveal a lot more about his life, his work and his personality than some crude readings of his paintings could ever do.

Secondly, as Phil H has stated, where is your evidence that Sickert was an opium user? Nothing, I mean nothing, in his life or work supports this claim.

Thirdly, most specialists in serial murder would agree that it is almost unknown for a poisoner to change to a slash/mutilator or vice versa. They are completely different types of murderer for a good many reasons that I do not have time to explain at this precise moment (but I will).

Finally (for now) there is no evidence that some of the letters were written on Sickert's actual stationery, only that they were written on a batch of stationery that included Sickert as a customer. That stationery could have ended up anywhere, and in any case, as Ally points out, writing a letter claiming to be a murderer does not make one a murderer as the famous Yorkshire Ripper hoax demonstrates.

However, I would be very interested to hear more of your ideas. If you can offer something in the form of very solid evidence, I am sure we would all be very pleased to discuss it.

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Julie
Julie,

THE most telling is that the one objective fact has been avoided by this group in the manner of a disease: Cornwell has produced the only objective evidence in the history of the case. And egos have been bruised along the way.

The ego must be physically nested near the eye, as these bruises seem to be blocking vision.
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Old 04-22-2013, 07:25 PM
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Whether we like it or not, the ONLY evidence that has ever been found... was found by the most hated ripperologist of all... Ms. PC.

I started my journey over a year ago last February, and in my Ripper studies, I have read some 50-60 different books, slightly more blob/essays, and watched some 20-30 videos.

So, what does my crystal ball reveal:

My North Star= Occam's Razor

Walter Sickert is/was Jack the Ripper

It's my belief that not only is/was Sickert your first serial killer... but if he had actually been apprehended, his arrest would have revealed:

1- The first portable rape kit

2- The first portable sedation kit

3- The first shrine to his victims

His arrest would have opened/began an understanding of the evolution of this type of specialized murderer, as the so-called Ripper murders were most likely, neither his first, nor his last murders.

Sickert likely began his criminal life as a thief. This would have escalated into assault, and from there, into murder.

His first murders would have been low-risk: I'd wager that he began by poisoning his victims. It would be interesting if we could track the deaths of servants and other people he would have deemed beneath him so as to see how many met with untimely death, or sudden disappearance.

After a time, likely coinciding with his prolonged opium use, death by poison would not have offered him the thrill he was seeking. At this point, poison became a mere tool for him in murder.

Opium users (in any form) soon develop issues in obtaining sleep. Users initially attempt to keep to their normal schedule. But the drug soon interrupts normal sleep, requiring odd-hour napping in an attempt to make up for lost sleep. Dependence soon leads to secondary, evening doses. And when the supply becomes interrupted, terrible withdrawal symptoms occur.

Combining this addiction with the addiction to murder would have lead Sickert to incorporate what he'd learned about himself and drugs.

Prostitutes likely served double-duty: as models, and victims.

When someone is paying you, and proving booze to you, selling your mate's boots for some quick meal-money isn't an issue.

Sickert was a source for a late-night bottle. What they didn't know... was what he had added to it: a good dose of opium.

After a few swallows, strangulation becomes much easier... the precursor to the cutting.
Very interesting ....I wonder what you might suggest once youve studied the cases, the people, the area, the environment, and the political status for more than 20 years. Or 30, or more. Some here have studied for 5 decades.

The longer you study amigo you will see that not one "suspect" has any kind of legitimate reason for being considered as such...including Walter.

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Old 04-22-2013, 09:07 PM
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Cornwell has produced the only objective evidence in the history of the case.

That one comment confirms my view that you need to go back to the drawing board.

For all her extraordinary investment financially, all that Cornwell could discover was that Sickert JUST MIGHT have written some hoax letters - which would not be out of character for him, as I read his nature. It does NOT make him the killer.

I note that you scrupulously avoid dealing with any of the factual errors in your theory that others have pointed out.

Garbage in garbage out as they say.

Phil

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Julie,

THE most telling is that the one objective fact has been avoided by this group in the manner of a disease: Cornwell has produced the only objective evidence in the history of the case. And egos have been bruised along the way.

The ego must be physically nested near the eye, as these bruises seem to be blocking vision.

Cornwell has produced no evidence at all that Sickert was even in London at the time of the killings. The strongest evidence is that he was in France.

Cornwall's theory is fanciful bunkum. No egos have been bruised but there must be a few bruised rips around from all the laughing her 'theory' has produced.
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Old 04-23-2013, 06:45 AM
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Very interesting ....I wonder what you might suggest once youve studied the cases, the people, the area, the environment, and the political status for more than 20 years. Or 30, or more. Some here have studied for 5 decades.

The longer you study amigo you will see that not one "suspect" has any kind of legitimate reason for being considered as such...including Walter.

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Hello Mike,

At 4 and a half decades, I do indeed sing that song.


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Old 04-23-2013, 06:48 AM
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Cornwell has produced no evidence at all that Sickert was even in London at the time of the killings. The strongest evidence is that he was in France.
Hello Julie,

Now there you go putting a very well known fact in the way of a year's hard study...shame on you. ;-)

Err, wasn't the same thing pointed out to the Van Gogh theorist too?

Must be catching.



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Are all the people posting on these boards real? Do they actually believe what they write?
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