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Old 04-20-2008, 06:22 PM
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If you had read, it is actually the police sketch of MJK from the crime scene
Hello, Sarah. Is this true?
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Old 04-20-2008, 06:23 PM
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Hi Celesta,

I don't think Sickert did the sketch at all. It seems to be a sketch done by the blogger of the multilations she thinks she can see in the painting beside the sketch. When you look at it, especially when it is rotated as you have done, it does look like the scene of crime mutilations of Kelly - but that's because of what the sketch-drawer has 'seen' in the painting.

I agree, Sickert was interested in the murders, and certainly did use them as a topic (the re-named painting Jack the Ripper's Bedroom) but then so did the author of the original novel The Lodger (can't remember the author's name - shameful of me!).

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Old 04-20-2008, 06:31 PM
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Hello, Sarah. Is this true?

Hi all,

OK, so this is a police sketch of the crime scene. The blogger thinks the mutilations look like the face of the lady in the painting "The Prostitute at Home' (she has placed them side by side). How? I just cannot see it!

It is a rather lovely painting. There is nothing seedy or nasty about it. To me, it's a sensitive portrait of a girl with a rather careworn face. What is Sickert trying to tell us about this? Is he giving us a glimpse of the private life of someone whose body has been so publically used? Is there an admiring tenderness about the scene? Or is there murder and mayhem behind the face?
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Hi LH,

Yes, it was not immediately clear to me that the sketch was not by Sickert. Thank you, LH. I read the short passage above the sketch but didn't realize that the blogger had posted an actual Kelly sketch, or whatever it is. I knew it did not look like Sickert's style!

I did post another painting that came up when I googlied "Blackmail."
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OK, so this is a police sketch of the crime scene.




It is a rather lovely painting. There is nothing seedy or nasty about it. To me, it's a sensitive portrait of a girl with a rather careworn face. What is Sickert trying to tell us about this? Is he giving us a glimpse of the private life of someone whose body has been so publically used? Is there an admiring tenderness about the scene? Or is there murder and mayhem behind the face?
Hello, all.

I asked this question of Sarah because I had never seen this pic of MJK. I thought you were right, Limehouse, when you said it had been done by the blogger. Now YOU'RE saying it's a police sketch?

As far as the painting itself, PUTANA A CASA, I find the woman MOST frightening. Her face looks HOUSE OF WAXish--burnt, decayed, . . . something. Espescially her right distorted eye. So, I know we're back to that subjectivity again, but I'm going with murder and mayhem.
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For the record, that drawing of a mutilated Mary Kelly is not by Walter Sickert, is not a police sketch, and was not created by the blogger. It's a modern artist's interpretation and has been around for several years.
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Old 04-20-2008, 06:50 PM
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Thanks, Dan.

Do you know who and when?
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Old 04-20-2008, 06:51 PM
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Hi all,

There seems to be a lot of confusion over the real titles of some of these paintings! If we go back to the very first painting posted, apparently called Mrs Barrett, with the alternative title Blackmail, I have given an interpretation of what the possible motives of the painting are, based on Paul's question to me.

The rather nice portrait of the lady in the pink blouse posted by Celesta seems to be the same lady. Unlike the first painting, in which I can detect a hint of triumph in her glance, this is a relaxed and comfortable sitting, with no hint of malice or murder evidentI

The rather sweet but dark-looking portrait of a lady/girl in a hat looks very like the style of Lautrec.

The sketch, taken from the blog, seems to be a crime scene sketch made by a police artist of the Kelly murder. It does not resemble any Sickert painting that I have seen.

Perhaps it would be interesting to study the pre-murders paintings of Sickert to see what can be detected? I am quite familiar with his work, but will use the link provided by a previous poster to examine his work closely.

Finally, I wonder if many people have seen Sickert's work in a gallery, placed side by side with contemproary works of the time? I saw his work alongside other Victorian painters and sketchers of nudes and honestly, beside some of them, Sickert looked positively coy.

His work really does take on a different hue when you see it for real.
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It looks like the "modern artist" got the boards in the headboard going the wrong way!

Thanks, Dan, for the info.
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Perhaps it would be interesting to study the pre-murders paintings of Sickert to see what can be detected? I am quite familiar with his work, but will use the link provided by a previous poster to examine his work closely.

Sickert looked positively coy.
I love the "coy." And the suggestion is a good one. I find it all worth a closer look. And Sickert himself is interesting. Wasn't it Thomas Hardy who loved to watch hangings?

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