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  • #31
    I notice there are no women posting on this thread.
    This my opinion and to the best of my knowledge, that is, if I'm not joking.

    Stan Reid

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    • #32
      Hello Wolf,

      Not helping me with a request per se, just helping me visualize the area in which Brown was murdered.

      Stan,

      Well noted.

      Corey
      Washington Irving:

      "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

      Stratford-on-Avon

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      • #33
        Good afternoon Corey,

        I suggest the site of The Museum of the City of New York, Collections. (click here) Then choose Search and type Lower East Side in the search box. You will access a thousand old photographs, including those by Jacob Riis.

        Roy
        Sink the Bismark

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        • #34
          East River Hotel - corrected

          Simple map shows location near the East River Slips
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          1891 map. Hotel address was 14 Catharine Slip at the corner of Water Street in the Fourth Ward.
          Green line is ward boundary. Note the "market"
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          Old sketch of the market looking from the opposite end, with ships in background. The East River Hotel is not pictured, but is just out of view to your right. Buildings above market are in the Seventh Ward.
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          The view today. The market area is now Catharine Mall, a pedestrian island. The large building on the right is # XII Alfred E Smith Houses, and stands on the location of the old East River Hotel.
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          • #35
            Thanks Roy. Does the area have any particular ethnic make up today?
            This my opinion and to the best of my knowledge, that is, if I'm not joking.

            Stan Reid

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            • #36
              Sure Stan, today the neighborhood is diverse.

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              Sink the Bismark

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Roy Corduroy View Post
                Sure Stan, today the neighborhood is diverse.
                Is there a website that breaks down racial configuration by zip code?

                god bless the internet... I can't imagine ever needing it, but if it exists I want it!
                The early bird might get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

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                • #38
                  Demographic Data

                  Hey Errata,

                  If you are thinking of the U.S., the place to find all sorts of demographic data is at http://www.census.gov/. The list of tools shown on the home page will give you any number of ways to analyze the data: by zip code, ethnicity, occupation, etc.

                  Hope this suites your needs.

                  Best Wishes, Mike
                  Mike

                  "Twinkle, twinkle little bat."

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                  • #39
                    Catharine vicinity rooftops

                    From the Blue Book of 1910
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                    Note 27 Bridgeport Line. Hotel location nearby. Hard to pinpoint at an angle. from 1915
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                    • #40
                      4 blocks down

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                      The Bridge Cafe at 279 Water Street in the Fourth Ward, built in 1794.
                      Oldest saloon in town. Read about it...(here)
                      Sink the Bismark

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                      • #41
                        The previous photo, of Bridge Cafe, is in a small portion of the Fourth Ward below Brooklyn Bridge and near the South Street Seaport Museum. In this area a little bit of old New York is preserved.

                        Otherwise, the Fourth Ward above the bridge was all bulldozed in the 1950's to erect public housing.

                        Roy
                        Sink the Bismark

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                        • #42
                          Manhattan's Fourth Ward Then and Now

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                          Hotel at arrow

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                          Alfred E Smith Houses
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                          • #43
                            Possibly "arrow where hotel once stood"?

                            By 1907 the East River Hotel was no longer a hotel. At some point it was joined to the building next door to make a "double tenement house" and numbered 14 - 16 Catharine Slip. In November, 1907, the building was condemned and its inhabitants removed. After this it seems to disappear from the newspaper record.

                            However by December, 1909, the property at 16 Catharine Slip was part of a legal action involving a contested will. This seems to suggest that #16 was no longer joined as a "double tenement house" to #14 and that, perhaps, #14 had indeed been torn down by this time.

                            Wolf.

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                            • #44
                              Historic Site

                              Originally posted by Roy Corduroy View Post
                              the Fourth Ward above the bridge was all bulldozed in the 1950's to erect public housing.
                              Correction, almost all. A small portion near New Bowery remains.


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                              Sites on the 1891 map still there today - St James, where Al Smith was an altar boy,
                              Baptist Mariners, now an African American church

                              and this cemetery (circled) on the National Register of Historic Places
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                              Marker denotes the gravesite of a Revolutionary War Veteran

                              Happy Presidents Day,
                              Roy
                              Sink the Bismark

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                              • #45
                                A couple of things:

                                1. This is also an excellent resource; you can search the catalogue for, e.g., mManhattan, 1891, etc., or whatever borough or wards you wish...



                                2. Small map of NYC from 1891:

                                Map of A map from 1891 of New York City and vicinity, showing roads, railroads, and physical features.


                                3. For Stan, for saying no women were posting on this thread...The seamy side of NYC...circa 1871...*wink*

                                Cheers,
                                cappuccina

                                "Don't make me get my flying monkeys!"

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