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One reason is she sticks to the facts and doesn't over egg the pudding.
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Thanks, Gary. I take it that Rochester is close to Chatham and that Minverva Street is just off the Old Bethnal Green Road then?
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Just a quick question - do we know where Polly Nichols was in the 1881 census please?
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Just a quick question - do we know where Polly Nichols was in the 1881 census please?
I don't think we do.
There are a lot of possibles. One I have considered is a woman who took to the casual wards around 1881. Southwark first and also maybe Mile End in April 81, although the Mile End Polly said she wasn't married.
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Thanks. I note that for Lambeth there seem to be a couple of census pages that were unreadable and wondered if she might originally have been on one of those. I'll take a look at the ones you mention.
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Thanks. I note that for Lambeth there seem to be a couple of census pages that were unreadable and wondered if she might originally have been on one of those. I'll take a look at the ones you mention.
Hi MS

Thanks. That's probably the explanation because the Lambeth, Renfrew Road workhouse creed register has a Mary Ann Nichols aged 39, charwoman being admitted on 8 February 1881 and discharged on 26th May 1881 (136 years to the day!) which covers the date of the census, meaning she was there for the 1881 census as some books have stated.

This rules out the Mary Ann Nichols in Newington casual ward that I mentioned earlier, appearing several times in 1881 and born in 1852, the same year of birth given by Mary Ann Nichols in the Lambeth workhouse and other institutions in 1887/88.


Strangely, the older Mary Ann Nichols (49) who appears in the 1881 census at Lambeth workhouse is in the same creed register too, further down the same page, but is noted as being admitted May 26th 1881 and discharged June 17th to police. So she wasn't there for the census but is listed on the census for that institution!
That's odd.

Mary Ann Monk also appears in this same Lambeth workhouse Renfrew Road creed register for 1880/81
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By 1883, another woman named Mary Ann Nichols is also using the same Lambeth workhouse. Her age is listed as 35. The two other MA Nichols aged 39/40 and 49/50 are also still regularly listed.
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Good info Debs.

I don't know about you but I find some of the workhouse records rather sad. For example one of Martha Tabram's sons was admitted to Westminster Union Workhouse on 1st June 1878 "chgd with begging". Charles Henry Tabram was all of 5 years old!
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Good info Debs.

I don't know about you but I find some of the workhouse records rather sad. For example one of Martha Tabram's sons was admitted to Westminster Union Workhouse on 1st June 1878 "chgd with begging". Charles Henry Tabram was all of 5 years old!
Thanks, MS. I do find the workhouse records very sad sometimes but they give us a chance to glimpse aspects of these women's lives that we wouldn't ordinarily know about. Thanks for the info on Charles, it led me to the entry that noted Martha's children had been sent to her in prison. In his 'Fallen Women' piece, the Reverend Merrick wrote that several of the victims had been in Millbank Prison in their pasts and as the research has gone on over the years, that idea doesn't seem as ridiculous as some first thought!
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I've got numerous ancestors who "fudged it" with their age.

Some to marry
Some to go to war
Some to get work

Etc.

Age and names were a bit flexible.

Also if the family didn't celebrate birthdays loosing count would be easy and I suspect many years of birth were based on "how old are you" well that would mean born in...
Albert Cadosch knocked almost a decade off his age when he entered into the bigamous marriage to Elizabeth Stobart - and was presumably credible in so doing.
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