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Old 05-11-2018, 03:13 AM
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But if France had taken his card(s) to the police he would have told them Hanratty was back in London.

Also, Oxford testified that “on the 25th September we had in fact identified the man Ryan as possibly being Hanratty”. ‘Possibly’ indicates that they had not yet established the link with the Vienna (which they established the following day visiting Wood Lane) but if France had been their source that link would have already been established because he knew that Hanratty had stayed at the Vienna.
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But if France had taken his card(s) to the police he would have told them Hanratty was back in London.

Also, Oxford testified that “on the 25th September we had in fact identified the man Ryan as possibly being Hanratty”. ‘Possibly’ indicates that they had not yet established the link with the Vienna (which they established the following day visiting Wood Lane) but if France had been their source that link would have already been established because he knew that Hanratty had stayed at the Vienna.
There was also the card erroneously sent to Mr George Pratt's address, 72 Wood Lane, the address JH had written in The Vienna's register. Acott and Oxford visited that address on 26 September. (Later, Mr Pratt received another missive from Ireland, this time a receipt from the car-hire firm that JH had used in Dublin). As far as I'm aware this was the first time the police were aware that 'Ryan' was in, or had been in, Ireland. On the afternoon of the 26 September, Acott and Oxford visited JH's parents to tell them that their son was wanted for car theft; they told Acott they hadn't seen nor heard from him since July. How did the police make the link between Ryan and Hanratty?

Woffo legitimately asks the question: if France did take the cards to Scotland Yard, how and when did he know that the police were looking for Ryan? As far as I'm aware, he didn't know this until after JH's return from Ireland when he phoned France and blurted out to him that he was wanted for the A6 crime. For me, the entire 'Ireland episode' and how the Ryan-Hanratty link really was made, have always been very puzzling, and I don't think Acott ever fully explained it. Further views appreciated.

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Might this have been the sequence of events:

Morning of Sept 26, Acott and Oxford visit George Pratt at 72 Wood Lane and are given the letter to J Ryan from the Irish hire car firm. Acott contacts the Irish police, whose inquiries establish that Ryan hired the car from Ryan’s in Limerick. The police start phoning hotels in the provinces seeking a J Ryan of 72 Wood Lane who might have been a guest shortly after the date of the car hire. They track down the Cork hotel where he shared a room with Leonard, contact Leonard, who tells them what he remembers of the postcards he wrote for Ryan, especially the one to Ryan’s mother, Mrs Hanratty. The Irish police relay this info to Acott, who that afternoon visits Mr and Mrs Hanratty.

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It would seem that the hired car had been left at or near Dublin Docks.
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The above is from Saturday 30th September's Mirror.
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Old 05-11-2018, 04:21 AM
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Alfie,

could be, but that would mean that Mr Leonard must have had an incredible memory. But perhaps he had.

Spitfire,

interesting. From this article it seems, then, that Acott and Oxford had no idea who they were looking for in Ireland, unless the name 'Ryan' was expressly kept from the media. Neither Woffo nor Foot mention that the damaged hire-car was abandoned near Dublin docks, unless it was not the car that Hanratty hired. It all gets curiouser and curiouser.

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Thanks Spitfire, another new tidbit of info.

So it looks like Hanratty dumped the damaged vehicle. No wonder the car-hire firm were after him. Interesting that he abandoned it near the docks. What if he caught a ferry back to Blighty? Did ferry tickets require a name? If not, then Acott and Co may be excused for thinking he could still be in Ireland.
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The man himself a week later (Mirror 7 October) disclosed that it was at Dublin airport where he abandoned the damaged vehicle. I believe that the airport is about 10 miles north of the city and the docks.
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The man himself a week later (Mirror 7 October) disclosed that it was at Dublin airport where he abandoned the damaged vehicle. I believe that the airport is about 10 miles north of the city and the docks.
Another theory shot down by an inconvenient fact.

The mentions in the earlier story about the police interest in "certain men" who frequently travel to Dublin, or who may fly to Britain from Eire are interesting. They may have been smokescreens, but they certainly gives the impression that Acott didn't know which country Hanratty was in.
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Interesting to see that not only was he intimidated by the police into giving the Liverpool alibi but the Daily Mirror too.
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