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Old 06-03-2018, 02:28 AM
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We must not forget that the quickest route from Doveton to Pickfords, while using Hanbury Street, did not past #29.


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The quickest route was Old Montague Street, actually.
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And what lie was that? (Just want to get this very clear, Steve)
Again it must be obvious,

That he was told he was wanted by another policeman.

Is that clear now my dear Christer.

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Old 06-03-2018, 02:29 AM
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I'm not saying he lied about his workplace.

Hat, Fish.
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Old 06-03-2018, 02:40 AM
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So, Hanbury St might not have been on his usual route to work?
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The quickest route was Old Montague Street, actually.
Oh dear Christer, that statement is wrong i am afraid.

There are two routes to Eldon street via Old Montague:
These are 2808 & 2964 yards approx.

The two routes (there are more) viaSpelman are 2806 and 2698 yards.

Geographical facts.

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Again it must be obvious,

That he was told he was wanted by another policeman.

Is that clear now my dear Christer.

Steve
To ME it is clear, but I wanted it to be clear to anybody who reads the boards that you are not establishing that he lied, but simply suggesting that he did so.

And all the while, we have no record of him doing any wrong in any shape or form, while we know that Lechmere withheld his true name, was in Bucks Row at the wrong time given when he left home, said that he only noticed Paul when he was 30-40 yards off, etcetera.

Thank you.
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Old 06-03-2018, 02:57 AM
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Well Fish, I pointed out that Crossmere raised countless children by keeping a steady job for a number of years, and you told me that we have no evidence that he wasn't a vicious wife-beater.
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while we know that Lechmere withheld his true name
Or, he gave the name which he went by. Why couch things in such sinister terms? Oh, I know why...
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To ME it is clear, but I wanted it to be clear to anybody who reads the boards that you are not establishing that he lied, but simply suggesting that he did so.

And all the while, we have no record of him doing any wrong in any shape or form, while we know that Lechmere withheld his true name, was in Bucks Row at the wrong time given when he left home, said that he only noticed Paul when he was 30-40 yards off, etcetera.

Thank you.
Sorry there is mo proof that he gave a wrong time for leaving home, the time is given as about 3.30
The suggestion he gives a wrong time is based on using that as an absoluteAnd acceptung Paul's time of 3.45 which is contradicted by 3 seperate officers.

There is absolutly no source to suggest that when he said he became aware of Paul is tuntrue, just supposition ito support a theory is all you have.


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Well Fish, I pointed out that Crossmere raised countless children by keeping a steady job for a number of years, and you told me that we have no evidence that he wasn't a vicious wife-beater.

His mother was seemingly a woman of independent means and ran two businesses in the East End. He lived close to her for many years and one of his daughters lived with her grandmother. I would be careful about assuming that CAL's maintaining a 'v.decent' household and starting a business in later life (after his mother had died) was entirely the result of his own hard work and frugality.

Further evidence of Ma's influence on the family finances may be deduced from the fact that at the time she was in the cat's meat business her eldest grandson (Thomas Allen?) was working as a cat's meat salesman and living in Winthrop Street. Though, of course, if CAL was himself carting cat's meat for Pickfords, then perhaps he was the brains behind the business in which the family were involved until at least the 1930s.
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