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Another point, Murphy argues that if the caller had seen the board, he would see that Wallace hadn't shown recently and could be forgiven for assuming Wallace again wouldn't show on the 19th (therefore implying a caller other than Wallace doesn't make sense.) Others have tried to argue the board was confusing and Murphy was wrong in thinking that would be obvious to someone who observed it.

Okay, let's ACCEPT that fact. Let's assume "Qualtrough" sees the board and it is confusing so therefore he doesn't grasp that Wallace hasn't shown the last 4 meetings. He assumes there is a good chance Wallace will show at a scheduled meeting. I'm accepting this for the sake of argument, but even STILL, if Qualtrough tried this ruse on any other night when Wallace was due at the chess club and had failed to show (he in facthadn't shown up the previous 4 meetings!), then he would have failed and be unlikely to try the plot again.

Lucky for Qualtrough he just happened to get the EXACT date Wallace finally decided to show up, no???!!!

Of course if Qualtrough was Wallace, he would know that he would be attending for the 1st time in 5 meetings to receive the message!
This is an important point when we try and see this as a ‘well thought out plan.’
Wallace might not have turned up/ Beattie might have forgotten to give him the message/Wallace might have decided not to go to MGE(Parry couldn’t have been certain of this)/Julia might not have let Qualtrough in/Julia might have had a visitor/Wallace and Julia might have planned to go out that night.

Any plan, whether it’s by Napoleon or Fred Bloggs, would make considerations to how it could go wrong. They wouldn’t just rely on chance. That’s not a plan.
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I've nailed this canard time and again.

Do all criminals succeed? Sometimes they just get lucky.
Sometimes they fail at the first hurdle, and creep away to think of a better plan. Do we get to hear about such silent failures?
Does that stop them from trying?

Last time I looked the jails were all full....
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The criminals don't have to watch the board. They just have to watch Wallace [or, to be precise, merely watch his route] for about 30 minutes for a maximum of six Monday nights when he is supposed to appear at the club, according to the board... And I've shown how they could have done that, quite easily, from at least one innocuous vantage point on Breck Road.

19th January 1931 was the last possible date they could strike, and they did.


Oh, and as for Parkes, criminals when stressed or in a panic - or out of their depth - often make incriminating actions or statements to friends or acquaintances.

Nothing to see here...
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I've nailed this canard time and again.

Do all criminals succeed? Sometimes they just get lucky.
Sometimes they fail at the first hurdle, and creep away to think of a better plan. Do we get to hear about such silent failures?
Does that stop them from trying?

Last time I looked the jails were all full....
It's not a canard Rod. By coming up with a plan we can say that the culprit had given it some thought. Getting Wallace out of the house, getting Mr X admitted to the house knowing of Julia's reluctance to let people in that she didn't know. And let's remember that you'd said that it was a meticulous plan (I can't recall your exact words but that was the gist.) So on one hand we have a meticulous planner but on the other we have someone completely oblivious to or unconcerned about childishly obvious things that could scupper the plan at the outset. You can't have your cake and eat it.

In addition, and you'll have to forgive my memory, when it's been mentioned in the past that Parry could have committed the crime at any other time without a Qualtrough plan and when there was more cash in the house, didn't you give some kind of reason why it had to be that night? If that was indeed the case then your 'sometimes plans just fail...' doesn't really hold up.
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'Oh, and as for Parkes, criminals when stressed or in a panic - or out of their depth - often make incriminating actions or statements to friends or acquaintances
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They might let a word or a sentence slip out. They might act strangely. They might leave something at the crime scene.

They wouldn't make a journey that they didn't need to, to get something done that they could easily and safely done themselves and then blab about a Capitol crime to a person that they are aware doesn't really like them.

That's stretching things too far.
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It was an ingenious criminal plan. Not all ingenious criminal plans work.

That is the nature of crime.

Last time I looked the jails, etc.

This ingenious criminal plan might fail - certainly - but most likely would fail in such a way that nothing would be lost, i.e. "jail time" for the perps.

Risk-free failure logically leads to them happily attempting such a crime...
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It was an ingenious criminal plan. Not all ingenious criminal plans work.

That is the nature of crime.

Last time I looked the jails, etc.

This ingenious criminal plan might fail - certainly - but most likely would fail in such a way that nothing would be lost, i.e. "jail time" for the perps.

Risk-free failure logically leads to them happily attempting such a crime...
They'd be wasting a lot of time masterminding such an elaborate plot. If this thug that killed JW was so willing to bash an old lady's head in (In your scenario he stops JW from going out to presumably tell on him so not a totally spur of the moment thing), why would he have wasted his time getting ensnared in such a complex and tenuous plot.

Hed be taking ALL the risk while Parry would be taking none. Such a criminal would be much better off to break into houses when everyone in it was out, like the Anfield Housebreaker.
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There was no 'journey'. Atkinsons garage was literally in the next street to Parry, and he was an habitue of the place in any case. His arrival at an unusual hour would seem entirely unremarkable in itself, since he had often done the same.

It was his best chance of covering his tracks, and while a little risky, was not as risky as any other alternative.

a) doing nothing, or amateurishly cleaning his car himself, in the dark.
b) choosing some other faraway all-night garage at random [they were few and far between, and the Police had a habit of stopping motorists out at odd hours. Cars were not so reliable either; breakdown, burst tyre or running out of petrol were all real risks in 1931]

Of course Parkes in 1981 retrospectively paints Parry - the man he is accusing of murder - in the worst possible light, character-wise, but his statement makes clear that for some odd reason everyone had tolerated Parry's repeated transgressions right up to that particular night!

Parry would therefore figure he could bamboozle Parkes yet again, and as shown above, he had little choice in the matter...
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There was no 'journey'. Atkinsons garage was literally in the next street to Parry, and he was an habitue of the place in any case. His arrival at an unusual hour would seem entirely unremarkable in itself.

It was his best chance of covering his tracks, and while a little risky, was not as risky as any other alternative.

a) doing nothing, or amateurishly cleaning his car himself.
b) choosing some other faraway all-night garage at random [they were few and far between, and the Police had a habit of stopping motorists out at odd hours. Cars were not so reliable either; breakdown, burst tyre or running out of petrol were all real risks in 1931]

Of course Parkes in 1981 retrospectively paints Parry - the man he is accusing of murder - in the worst possible light, character-wise, but his statement makes clear that for some odd reason everyone had tolerated Parry's repeated transgressions right up to that particular night!

Parry would therefore figure he could bamboozle Parkes yet again, and as shown above, he had little choice in the matter...

I no longer have access to the radio city 3 parter. (I believe you took it down )

However, I distinctly remember them saying "there were some who were welcome to stop in the garage for a drink, Parry was not one of them" also making reference to him being caught rifling thru coats there. He wasn't welcome there.
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People were ignoring what was in the tapes, or inserting stuff that wasn't, and I got tired of correcting them.

Parkes seems to be referring to a wardrobe in the upstairs flat, and perhaps Parry had indeed been banned from there...

But turning up in a car in the early hours? By the time he drove into the garage it would be too late, for Parkes, alone that night, to do anything.

And people subjected to the kind of psychopathic charm that Parry undoubtedly possessed often report going along with it again, because the charmer is so 'entertaining' and 'exciting' even though, objectively, they know they're a bad 'un...
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