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It's a shame you feel that way David. I haven't made any conclusions as to whether the Diary is genuinely the work of Maybrick or not - nor will I even begin to explore that possiblity until the provenance has been proven beyond reasonable doubt.
Just to clarify. When I use the expression "Diary Defender" I don't mean someone who thinks that Maybrick wrote the diary. In fact, there hardly seem to be any of those people around (rather surprising considering the number of people who seem to think the Diary has been lying under the Battlcrease floorboards since the late nineteenth century). I mean people who think the Diary is a genuinely old document (if a forgery can be described as "genuine"). I agree that "Diary Defender" is not a great description but there does seem to be a group of people, almost acting in concert, who need a collective name - let me know if you have a better one!
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In any case, thanks again for taking the time to pontificate on these boards.
Lol! Very good James.
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people who think the Diary is a genuinely old document need a collective name - let me know if you have a better one!
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Overall, the arrogance of someone who thinks that their own instincts or thoughts about a person to whom they have spoken cannot possibly be wrong is truly breathtaking.
It would be, David, if anyone had claimed any such thing. Perhaps you would like to use a direct quote to demonstrate where anyone has done so?

What I find truly breathtaking is the idea that one can judge when a known liar is telling the truth, without the necessary evidence to back it up. In this case, I am thinking of the circumstances surrounding Mike's telephone enquiry for a Victorian diary, made around the same time the floorboards were lifted in Maybrick's bedroom. You seem to be judging Mike's truthfulness by what you personally find most likely to be true: that he was in the final stages of creating his Maybrick diary and decided to call a literary agent, and make that other enquiry when he did, and the floorboards had nothing whatever to do with his timing.

You have a useless, tiny diary for the year 1891, sent to Mike Barrett [his real name] in late March 1992. That's it. That's your evidence that he was telling the truth and involved with others in a grand scheme to create the personal memoir of a murderer, from 1888 to his death in 1889.

Was it a double bluff, to make people think he was an idiot who couldn't have faked a sick note?

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We are told that Paul Dodd recalls a conversation with Rigby who was worried that he might be implicated in theft and volunteered information that Bowling and Lyons knew something about it.

But where is this recorded? Where do we find out where Paul Dodd has said this?

How do we know it's not someone on this forum misremembering something?

Where is the evidence?
See Robert Smith's book, page 19. I can add that Paul Dodd himself put the date around August 1993.

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I see that it is nonsensically stated that if Colin Rhodes were to confirm in writing that he has produced all the timesheets I might say that Colin's signature was faked.

This is utterly ludicrous.

I have never made any such point about any of the evidence. At no time have I accused anyone of faking evidence.
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Is this an attempt to deflect from the embarrassing fact that Colin Rhodes has never confirmed that he has produced all the timesheets showing work at Battlecrease?
No. It was an attempt to deflect from the simple fact that the interviews Keith recorded with Colin, which confirm this, are not my property. If you think I'm lying or mistaken and want access to this material I suggest you contact Keith.

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In any case, thanks again for taking the time to pontificate on these boards.

Agreed!

I'll send David some pile cream and a plastic gold medal from pound land.
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And, sometimes, when you've said your piece, you've said your piece. You put a thought out there for people to ignore, learn from, think about and perhaps build on, agree with or disagree with . Some of us see absolutely no need for the incessant carrying on others appear to require. Sometimes it descends into pure bullying.

There are probably as many different personalities on this board as there are individual people. I suggest we allow others the freedom to be themselves.

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I'll try and learn from that.

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It goes without saying that there were no "ill mannered" comments by me towards James. I was perfectly polite to him throughout his brief time posting in this thread and said more than once how refreshing it was to be discussing this subject with a rational person...


I can't guess who David is having a dig at here. Can you, dear readers?

At this rate Michael Palin is in no danger of losing his "nicest man in the world" status to the ever charming David Orsam.

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So the 9th March is not the only date of significance and I must repeat that the 1993 story of the electricians of a discovery under the floorboards is not validated by any knowledge we have today that the floorboards were lifted on 9 March 1992 in circumstances when everyone knew in 1993 that the floorboards had been lifted at some point prior to Mike's telephone call to London.
Don't you mean at some point prior to 1993? If nobody appeared to know [or at least nobody was telling] when the floorboards had actually come up, how would 'everyone' have known it was prior to Mike's call to London? All Shirley says in her book is that Mike came to London with the diary on a Spring day in 1992. No date is given for that first phone call. For all anyone appeared to know in 1993, the floorboards could have come up at any time in 1992 after March 9th, or after April 13th. Had that proved to be the case we wouldn't be here now.

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