Casebook: Jack the Ripper - Main
   

Introduction
Victims
Suspects
Witnesses
Ripper Letters
Police Officials
Official Documents
Press Reports
Victorian London
Message Boards
Ripper Media
Authors
Dissertations
Timelines
Games & Diversions
Photo Archive
Ripper Wiki
Casebook Examiner
Ripper Podcast
About the Casebook

Most Recent Posts:
Thompson, Francis: Francis Thompson. The Perfect Suspect. - by Abby Normal 7 minutes ago.
Thompson, Francis: Francis Thompson. The Perfect Suspect. - by GUT 3 hours ago.
Thompson, Francis: Francis Thompson. The Perfect Suspect. - by GUT 3 hours ago.
Thompson, Francis: Francis Thompson. The Perfect Suspect. - by Fisherman 3 hours ago.
Thompson, Francis: Francis Thompson. The Perfect Suspect. - by SuspectZero 10 hours ago.
Tumblety, Francis: Tumblety - Hermaphrodite. - by GUT 16 hours ago.

Most Popular Threads:
Thompson, Francis: Francis Thompson. The Perfect Suspect. - (5 posts)
A6 Murders: A6 Rebooted - (5 posts)
Tumblety, Francis: Tumblety - Hermaphrodite. - (2 posts)
Shades of Whitechapel: Centenaries - whole and half - (2 posts)
Scene of the Crimes: East End Walk - (1 posts)

Wiki Updates:
Robert Sagar
Edit: Chris
May 9, 2015, 12:32 am
Online newspaper archives
Edit: Chris
Nov 26, 2014, 10:25 am
Joseph Lawende
Edit: Chris
Mar 9, 2014, 10:12 am
Miscellaneous research resources
Edit: Chris
Feb 13, 2014, 9:28 am
Charles Cross
Edit: John Bennett
Sep 4, 2013, 8:20 pm

Most Recent Blogs:
Mike Covell: A DECADE IN THE MAKING.
February 19, 2016, 11:12 am.
Chris George: RipperCon in Baltimore, April 8-10, 2016
February 10, 2016, 2:55 pm.
Mike Covell: Hull Prison Visit
October 10, 2015, 8:04 am.
Mike Covell: NEW ADVENTURES IN RESEARCH
August 9, 2015, 3:10 am.
Mike Covell: UPDDATES FOR THE PAST 11 MONTHS
November 14, 2014, 10:02 am.
Mike Covell: Mike’s Book Releases
March 17, 2014, 3:18 am.

Go Back   Casebook Forums > Ripper Discussions > Suspects > General Suspect Discussion

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #21  
Old 10-15-2017, 03:04 PM
Richard Patterson Richard Patterson is offline
Sergeant
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Australia
Posts: 528
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by MrBarnett View Post
In February, 1889 he wrote a letter to Wilfred Meynell in which he claimed 'I have shaved with a dissecting scalpel before now.'

Is that it, is that the evidence that Thompson was carrying a 'knife' in the autumn of 1888?
Yes. "before now" refers to things that happened before, meaning "prior to", the time "now".

dissecting scalpel, a small straight knife with a thin sharp blade used in surgery and dissection.

shaved = razor sharp, as in"my knife is nice and sharp".
__________________
Author of

"Jack the Ripper, The Works of Francis Thompson"

http://www.francisjthompson.com/
Quick reply to this message Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 10-15-2017, 03:24 PM
MrBarnett MrBarnett is offline
Inspector
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Romford
Posts: 1,310
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Patterson View Post
Yes. "before now" refers to things that happened before, meaning "prior to", the time "now".

dissecting scalpel, a small straight knife with a thin sharp blade used in surgery and dissection.

shaved = razor sharp, as in"my knife is nice and sharp".
So, the fact that at some point in his life he had used a sharp knife is worthy of mention when considering him as a Ripper suspect? I wonder how many men at the time could have truthfully claimed to have used a sharp knife 'before now'. Pretty much all of them I'd have thought.

Didn't Thompson say in the same letter that he had had 'repeated experiments' at growing a beard? Might not some of those experiments have been when he was living on the streets?

This is actually a very important point, Richard, because you give your readers the impression that you have evidence that Thompson carried a knife at the time of the murders rather than that at some unspecified point in the past he had used a sharp implement to shave.

Last edited by MrBarnett : 10-15-2017 at 03:29 PM.
Quick reply to this message Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 10-15-2017, 03:49 PM
Richard Patterson Richard Patterson is offline
Sergeant
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Australia
Posts: 528
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by MrBarnett View Post
So, the fact that at some point in his life he had used a sharp knife is worthy of mention when considering him as a Ripper suspect? I wonder how many men at the time could have truthfully claimed to have used a sharp knife 'before now'. Pretty much all of them I'd have thought.

Didn't Thompson say in the same letter that he had had 'repeated experiments' at growing a beard? Might not some of those experiments have been when he was living on the streets?

This is actually a very important point, Richard, because you give your readers the impression that you have evidence that Thompson carried a knife at the time of the murders rather than that at some unspecified point in the past he had used a sharp implement to shave.
No. He did not say at "at some point' you misquote him, he said 'before now'.

No. You are speculating to say the repeated experiments happened on the streets. He said, in the same letter, that a beard made him looked like an escaped convict and because that is very opposite thing that a man on the streets would have wanted, your speculation is about the improbable.
__________________
Author of

"Jack the Ripper, The Works of Francis Thompson"

http://www.francisjthompson.com/
Quick reply to this message Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 10-16-2017, 01:24 AM
MrBarnett MrBarnett is offline
Inspector
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Romford
Posts: 1,310
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Patterson View Post
No. He did not say at "at some point' you misquote him, he said 'before now'.

No. You are speculating to say the repeated experiments happened on the streets. He said, in the same letter, that a beard made him looked like an escaped convict and because that is very opposite thing that a man on the streets would have wanted, your speculation is about the improbable.
I didn't misquote him, I paraphrased his statement. His precise words do not matter. The point is that he did not specify when he had shaved with a dissecting scalpel, so you have no evidence that he carried a knife in 1888. Or do you think that the phrase 'before now' can only relate to the period Aug - Nov, 1888?

Isn't it the case that during his homeless period he was ejected from the Guidhall Library because he looked so bedraggled? Clearly he was unable to keep himself looking decent during that time - but, of course, it's 'improbable' that he neglected to shave himself then.

Furthermore, you have no evidence that he was in the East End in 1888. The prostitute he was looking for had been based in Chelsea. Why would he look for her in Spitalfields?i

Last edited by MrBarnett : 10-16-2017 at 01:33 AM.
Quick reply to this message Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 10-16-2017, 02:04 AM
MrBarnett MrBarnett is offline
Inspector
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Romford
Posts: 1,310
Default

I should add that when Thompson and Meynell met he was described as being 'more ragged and unkempt than the average beggar'. Yet you would have us believe that he would have been clean shaven at the time because he wouldn't have wanted to look like an escaped convict.

Last edited by MrBarnett : 10-16-2017 at 02:15 AM.
Quick reply to this message Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 03:57 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.