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Old 03-12-2018, 07:21 AM
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Hi again Harry
Son of sams first letter dosnt really reference specifically a previous murder directly. However, it is general rant and violent so not sure if that counts.

I'm going to keep looking because its a great and relevant question.
BTK left a poem for one of his intended victims that dosnt reference any murders.
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BTK left a poem for one of his intended victims that dosnt reference any murders.
It referred to the intended victim, though, and was thus unambiguously connected with the murder series. Didn't he sign it, too?
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It referred to the intended victim, though, and was thus unambiguously connected with the murder series. Didn't he sign it, too?
not sure-but I see what you mean.
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It referred to the intended victim, though, and was thus unambiguously connected with the murder series. Didn't he sign it, too?
I just checked in Roy Wenzl's book on BTK, and...

"there was a strange signature: a B turned on its side to resemble eyeglasses, with a T and part of a K conjoined to look like a smile dangling below."
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I just checked in Roy Wenzl's book on BTK, and...

"there was a strange signature: a B turned on its side to resemble eyeglasses, with a T and part of a K conjoined to look like a smile dangling below."
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Not if he'd smeared excrement over them, which he almost certainly had.
The first time you mentioned this to me in an earlier discussion, the way you worded it seemed to me you believed the killer extracted the intestines, then purposefully smeared excrement over them.

I don't think that is the conventional interpretation, but I never did ask if I had misunderstood your point.
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Well. That all hangs together and explains the timing of finding of the apron and the GSG. That also squarely locates his bolthole within a short distance of Goulston street, no more than about a 20 minute walk, and perhaps closer.
Hi Eten
thanks. I forgot to add it also explains why the relatively long time from Mitre square to the GSG/apron being discovered and why the PC didn't see it the first time around.

But it looks like you picked up on it.
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The first time you mentioned this to me in an earlier discussion, the way you worded it seemed to me you believed the killer extracted the intestines, then purposefully smeared excrement over them.
It wasn't so much a case of "purposefully smearing excrement", in the sense of him having a bit of scatalogical fun, as one of accidentally getting excrement on his hands and having to get rid of it. He cut out a length of her colon and laid it on the pavement beside the body, and it was almost inevitable that one or both of his hands would have become contaminated with faeces in the process. The other intestines, i.e. those that had been previously pulled out and laid on Eddowes' upper body, had had faecal matter smeared over them. It seems probable that the faecal matter got there due to the killer attempting to wipe off some of the gunk that he'd got on his hand(s).
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IMHO the GSG has everything to do with the murders, as its a direct (at least partly) reflection on the lipski event.
You suppose the killer had a beef with the Jews because one caught him assaulting Stride, even though it didn't prevent him from murdering her. How does a vague, ambiguous scribble about Jewish culpability reflect that? Was that really the best antisemitic graffito an angry, adrenalin-pumped killer could do?

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However, I think you mean specifically mention something about the murders of either stride or eddowes? if so I'm not sure if any other serial killers whos messages don't mention anything specifically about the murders.
Doesn't even have to be that specific, Abby. Just something that would tie it to the murders. A vague insult about the Jews is not it.

Look at it this way, had the apron not been discarded there, would there be any reason to think this was written by the killer and not a random antisemite?
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I beg to differ, Abby. Perhaps you should try smearing your hands in someone else's faeces some time... then again, perhaps not
A number of threads on Casebook should make that a fairly simple task.

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