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Old 05-16-2016, 02:35 PM
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All we can say with certainty is that someone, person or persons unknown, killed prostitutes in the East End of London in the 1888-1889 period. There are no valid other clues as to who did it so anyone who "knows" who the Whitechapel murderer or murderers were is wrong. Plain and simple.

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Hi Chris

I don't think anyone on this thread is saying they know who Jack is for definite. People should be allowed to say who they believe Jack the Ripper was though there is a difference. My own personal belief is that Bury was the Ripper however I readily admit this is probably a 51% 49% type of belief. E.g
I believe there is nearly as much chance Bury wasn't the Ripper. Also I would be ecstatic if someone else was proven to be the Ripper as the case would be solved. I'm sure a number of others would also feel that they would rather know who was the Ripper even if it wasn't there favoured suspect.

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Old 05-18-2016, 12:33 PM
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Was Jack an Alcoholic?
You'd have to define alcoholic.

The US has more of a Scottish Presbyterian influence and so more intolerant of alcohol consumption. In England having a pint at midday reading the newspaper, is relaxing; in the US they may think that person has a problem.

By English standards, I don't think Jack was an alcoholic but then living in that area he probably enjoyed a few at the weekend which the vast majority of people would have done.
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Besides I thought you regarded Bury as the strongest suspect?
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Correct.
Hold on, something doesn't add up here. I could have sworn Harry D favoured Levy, and now Bury is his favourite suspect. If Bury is his favourite suspect, why is he putting dents in his credentials as a Ripper suspect, that is, questioning whether serial killers, on the whole, are substance abusers? Surely, if Bury is his favoured suspect, then he'd go along withy John Wheat's opinion that the Ripper was an alcoholic. Hmmmm.
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Was Jack an Alcoholic?
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If he managed to hold a steady and highly qualified job for a long time it is not very likely. If he didnīt manage that during 1888-1889 he may have had some sort of minor alcohol problems.

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If he managed to hold a steady and highly qualified job for a long time it is not very likely. If he didnīt manage that during 1888-1889 he may have had some sort of minor alcohol problems.

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persons with alcohol related health issues often manage to to hold a high status position far easier than those at a lower level.

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persons with alcohol related health issues often manage to to hold a high status position far easier than those at a lower level.

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I think it is best that we do not debate this issue, since we are talking about data from different time periods here. It will not lead anywhere.

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I think it is best that we do not debate this issue, since we are talking about data from different time periods here. It will not lead anywhere.

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you have data to back that view point do you? ( a few examples, not one or two)

of course it is your right not to debate,

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persons with alcohol related health issues often manage to to hold a high status position far easier than those at a lower level.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_A._Macdonald

One of many from that era that springs to mind.
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Hold on, something doesn't add up here. I could have sworn Harry D favoured Levy, and now Bury is his favourite suspect. If Bury is his favourite suspect, why is he putting dents in his credentials as a Ripper suspect, that is, questioning whether serial killers, on the whole, are substance abusers? Surely, if Bury is his favoured suspect, then he'd go along withy John Wheat's opinion that the Ripper was an alcoholic. Hmmmm.
Hello, Observer (must have missed your first post)

You're right, there was a time when I was looking at Jacob Levy as a suspect, but I was never a fully-fledged Jacobite inasmuch that I thought it was case closed. I'd never have the audacity to make such a claim. And I still think he's an interesting character, who we owe a great deal to Tracy & the other researchers for bringing into the fold.

Compared to the veterans here, I'm still a greenhorn to this particular field and reserve the right to alter my opinion as I develop a better understanding of the subject matter. Nowadays I tend to favour suspects with a proven propensity for violence, all the better if they're a murderer and a mutilator! And that's what sets Bury apart from the usual suspects. There are a ton of men out there who had the means and the opportunity to commit the Whitechapel murders, but there is a presumption of guilt required to suit the facts, which is why many fall at the first fence. You don't need to make that leap of faith with William Bury. He WAS a murderer and he did perform abdominal mutilations on his victim. Whether he killed the C5 or not, who knows, but at least we know what he was capable of.

As for questioning Jack's alcoholism, just because I consider Bury to be the likeliest of the named suspects doesn't mean that I believe he WAS the Ripper. Nor does it mean that I'm unable or unwilling to look at him critically as I would any other suspect. I only ask that people treat their own pet suspects in the same way.
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For instance, homeless suspects like Francis Thompson wouldn't have been able to afford gin too often.
Alcoholics are compelled to drink. It is a compulsion They don't abstain from drink when they can't afford it.
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