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Old 03-14-2018, 04:51 AM
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But people were already suspecting Jews, so there was arguably no need for any such deflection.
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IMHO he was fueling the prevalent fire and or pissed off by all the pesky Jews that night.

What better way to obsfucate than to blame the people who, in his mind, were probably going to be soon giving his description to the police?
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Just out of curiosity, do we know how many Jewish prostitutes were around? Perhaps it’s just not something that anyone made a study of?
They would have been very thin on the ground, for cultural and statistical reasons. The idea of Jack "targeting" prostitutes on the basis of their religion, or anything else for that matter, is very unlikely in any case. I'd suggest that he took whatever opportunities presented themselves.
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They would have been very thin on the ground, for cultural and statistical reasons. The idea of Jack "targeting" prostitutes on the basis of their religion, or anything else for that matter, is very unlikely in any case. I'd suggest that he took whatever opportunities presented themselves.
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I almost agree with you, except to say, other than Mary Jane Kelly, all of his victims were very similar in type (age, size etc...). So I think he was either after a specific person (unlikely) or he was targeting a specific look. I suspect, (cod science follows) that he may have been triggered into starting his murder spree by an incident involving someone of that general look. Perhaps after years of a bad relationship with that person.
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People of a certain class dressed pretty much alike back then.
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They would have been very thin on the ground, for cultural and statistical reasons. The idea of Jack "targeting" prostitutes on the basis of their religion, or anything else for that matter, is very unlikely in any case.
On a personal note, I always try and ask myself how much our twentyfirst century cultural preconceptions might fudge our understanding of Whitechapel in 1888; so these are excellent matters to be delving into and asking questions about and theorising on. Certainly, not all the Jews in Whitechapel were religious or Orthodox - a significant proportion were secular, even radical/socialist in their outlook: both men and women.

We also know that there were Jewish prostitutes. Lady Constance Rothschild Battersea's initiative, harking back to 1885 shows that the Jewish community, like any other, sought to do what it could to help with something it clearly saw as a problem. The establishment of the 'Jewish Association for the Protection of Girls & Women' was a direct response.

The full extent of it may be hard to gauge; but where we are on safer ground is in saying that each of the canonical victims were gentiles, as was Alice McKenzie; and two others who I suspect may well have ran foul of Jack The Ripper, Ada Wilson and Martha Tabram.

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It's only because the graffito mentioned 'Juwes' (I still think that was a misreading of Jewes but hey ho) and was scrawled in a Jewish tenement building that the police took the precaution of scrubbing it out. Not because the words were distinctly pro or anti-semitic.
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I'm not suggesting that there were no Jewish prostitutes (I know full well that this was not the case) but that they would have been much fewer in number than their gentile counterparts. I believe that I'm on pretty safe ground in that regard.
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People of a certain class dressed pretty much alike back then.
That may be correct, but I wasn't referring to superficial elements such as what they wore. I was referring to the substantial similarities, age, height and face. It is one of the reasons I fall on the side of Tabram probably being a ripper victim. Compare Martha Tabram's face to Annie Chapman's particularly, but all have similar features and hair.
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That may be correct, but I wasn't referring to superficial elements such as what they wore. I was referring to the substantial similarities, age, height and face. It is one of the reasons I fall on the side of Tabram probably being a ripper victim. Compare Martha Tabram's face to Annie Chapman's particularly, but all have similar features and hair.
Neither looks much like Nichols, Stride or Eddowes, all three of whom don't much resemble each other. Also, Tabram was fat, whilst Chapman was undernourished.
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Jack would most likely kill the women he encountered most in the middle of the night. Unfortunately for the victims that meant women who where desperate for money. The women most likely desperate for money would be middle aged,their looks well gone, fallen on hard times with little prospect of making money elsewhere. Prettier younger women would, if they wanted to prostitute themselves [ for whatever reason ] would most likely be employed in brothels where it would be a lot safer, or have their own rooms where unscrupulous landlords might think they can make some money off them, like Mary Jane. That is the reality of the situation, and that's how the victims are who the victim's are.
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