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Old 12-05-2017, 06:05 AM
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Alcohol molecules might be, but not the entire liquid medium in which they come. There could still have been a pint or so of beery liquid sloshing about inside her, assuming she partook of Blotchy's quart can.. Then again, her stomach was in a somewhat broken state, so perhaps the point is moot.
Also the smell would have been noticed. Beer has an unmistakeable odour that hangs around a long time. In fact I wonder if there was any beer in that ale-pail when it went into the room. It might be that Cox saw the pail and assumed its contents. Let’s not forget the piece of apron that may well have been contrived as a trophy-carrier. This time our killer may have thought to come prepared.

Getting back to Hutch, he isn’t necessarily dependent on the newspapers. He could have spoken to or overheard anyone who was present at the inquest to get the Lewis info. I’m sure the murder and the inquest dominated discussion everywhere in the area.
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Hi Jon,

That was the point I was going to make.

Unless we dismiss all the Lewis/Kennedy stories as invention, we have two women being talked about.

So if Lewis and Kennedy are one and the same, there is still a second woman to account for, with a similar story to tell, but who apparently never talks about it. She lets Lewis go it alone.

I'm not sure how likely that is.

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Much more likely than two different women who independently decided to leave their lodgings at about the same time on the morning of Kelly's death and shack up with relatives in the room directly opposite Kelly.
yup! Kennedy is a fig newton of someones imagination
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From what I've read alcohol is absorbed by the stomach, and it is absorbed in a relatively short time.
20% by the stomach,80% by the small intestine.
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yup! Kennedy is a fig newton of someones imagination
Mmmmm, fig Newtons....I'm imagining some now.
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Much more likely than two different women who independently decided to leave their lodgings at about the same time on the morning of Kelly's death and shack up with relatives in the room directly opposite Kelly.
Perhaps your resistance to this obvious deduction is in part due to you misunderstanding the story.

Lewis left her home in Great Pearl street, due to a row with her live-in husband.
(So she goes to her friends house to seek solace?)

Kennedy had been returning home to Millers Court, from where (work?), she did not say.

Your brief outline suggests something quite different.
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At the risk of parroting a certain angler, you're saying it's easier to explain away two overlapping murder series where the victims had their abdominal walls cut away, rings stolen, missing organs, etc. than it is to explain the differences, (presumably the local geography and logistics)?
If I knew what you were talking about Harry, I think it would still be a "No".
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Also the smell would have been noticed. Beer has an unmistakeable odour that hangs around a long time. In fact I wonder if there was any beer in that ale-pail when it went into the room. It might be that Cox saw the pail and assumed its contents.
Back in my younger days I knew a few drinkers who brought their own pewter mugs to the pub with them. Then there were other drinkers who kept their mugs at the pub.
The press accounts, including the court record, overwhelmingly all describe the mug as a "pot". Fewer accounts describe it as a "can".
Where the idea came from that it was a pail or bucket, is hard to guess.
So this "pot" may have been his, and may have (as you suggest) been quite empty.

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Getting back to Hutch, he isn’t necessarily dependent on the newspapers. He could have spoken to or overheard anyone who was present at the inquest to get the Lewis info.
All I can say to that is, you should try it sometime. See how far you get
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Kennedy had been returning home to Millers Court, from where (work?), she did not say.

Your brief outline suggests something quite different.
Your brief outline might give the impression that Kennedy was a resident of Miller's Court. The reports (most probably derived from a single source) said that she went to stay with her parents in MC, not her "home" except in an indirect sense.
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Hi Gareth,

Don't most parents, then as now, treat their home as their children's, from cradle to grave? And don't most grown up children, then as now, treat their parents' place as "home" until both have passed away?

It might literally only be home in an 'indirect' sense, but isn't that splitting hairs?

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