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Old 07-09-2010, 02:44 PM
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Thanks for that Simon, and Phil.
The article is very forthright and asks a pretty relevant question. (Why is his name and address and membership of "Clan N G" known in Europe?).

It looks asif MPSB indulging in outing people by leaking to U.S. papers.
Incidentally, McKenna is not mentioned in Alex Butterworth's book.

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Hello Phil and John. Here's another Fenian Walsh. How does he figure into the situation? (Clipping is from Lloyd's May 20, 1888.)

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Hi Lynn,

I feel that Thomas Walsh was small beer and not connected in any meaningful way with John Walsh of the Clan-na-Gael, who on 4th June 1888 sailed with McKenna from Le Havre to New York

The name Roger McKenna does appear to be an error. As I mentioned before, everytime I come across him he's referred to as Joseph or Joseph Patrick McKenna.

Here he is again, New York Times, 5th June 1888

"Joseph Patrick McKenna, a member of the Lodge No. 96 of the Clan-na-Gael of Chicago, is said to have been assisting [John] Walsh. While in Paris McKenna lodged at the Hotel Boulevard St. Michael, registering as John Sylvester . . ."

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Hello Simon. Thanks. I tend to agree. Thomas seems a small time gun runner.

It would be lovely if one could penetrate the entire network of Fenians and Anarcho-socialists. My job would be so much easier.

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Hi Lynn,

. . . but not half as much fun.

Interesting that in the NYT 6th June 1888 [post #29] it was being denied that McKenna was ever in Europe, while in the previous day's NYT [post #33] McKenna's departure from France was being reported.

See what I mean?

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Hello Simon. I do indeed.

Do you think that McKenna was an embarrassment to the Americans? (I mean, by his very existence.)

Is there a Tumblety link? Please feel free to lay your cards out on the table.

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Hi Lynn,

If we're playing according to Hoyle, you gotta pay to see my cards.

I don't yet know enough about McKenna to make a judgement, but I would venture to suggest that Tumblety was an opportunist and survivor who was far too self-obsessed to align himself with any cause other than one of his own creation, and far too canny to ever make the fatal mistake of paying lip service to the Fenians.

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Hello Simon.

"If we're playing according to Hoyle, you gotta pay to see my cards."

Then all I can say is, are you taking pre-orders for your book?

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Hi Lynn,

I'll make sure you're the first to know.

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