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wow. your a slippery fish.

we were talking about murders.
So am I, Abby. All I'm saying is that some assaults, muggings, heated arguments could easily have escalated into knife-murders but for the grace of God. There are several characteristics of Stride's murder that indicates that it might have been just such an event that went horribly wrong, and it's not inconceivable that it could have gone the other way. Neither is it unlikely that similar events occurred that might have culminated in murder if matters got out of hand. A lot of people carried knives back then, and it was a very violent time.

Nothing slippery about that at all.
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stride and eddowes a pattern.
A moderately cut throat preceded by a violent struggle outside a noisy club, versus (apparently) a "coochie-coo" smooch outside a practicallly deserted Mitre Square followed by a savagely cut throat, disembowelment and nasty facial mutilations.

I don't see much of a pattern there, either in the killer's approach or in the outcome.
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So am I, Abby. All I'm saying is that some assaults, muggings, heated arguments could easily have escalated into knife-murders but for the grace of God. There are several characteristics of Stride's murder that indicates that it might have been just such an event that went horribly wrong, and it's not inconceivable that it could have gone the other way. Neither is it unlikely that similar events occurred that might have culminated in murder if matters got out of hand. A lot of people carried knives back then, and it was a very violent time.

Nothing slippery about that at all.
But we were talking about how rare murders were. And specifically murders of women by knife. That's it. They were rare.
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A moderately cut throat preceded by a violent struggle outside a noisy club, versus (apparently) a "coochie-coo" smooch outside a practicallly deserted Mitre Square followed by a savagely cut throat, disembowelment and nasty facial mutilations.

I don't see much of a pattern there, either in the killer's approach or in the outcome.
A moderately cut throat?!?
Sorry Sam, this is starting to sound a lot like your Ellen bury lttle scratch to the stomach argument.
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A moderately cut throat preceded by a violent struggle outside a noisy club, versus (apparently) a "coochie-coo" smooch outside a practicallly deserted Mitre Square followed by a savagely cut throat, disembowelment and nasty facial mutilations.

I don't see much of a pattern there, either in the killer's approach or in the outcome.
But Sarah brown was a known domestic far away. It has nothing to do with the ripper murders. That she was murdered on the night of the double event is a sheer coincidence.

Yes eddowes and stride is pattern.


They happened a few minutes walk and an hour apart from each other. Both had cut throats, same victimolgy, both unsolved, both murdered by cut throat.

Both were seen with a man with a peaked cap.

Any differences can be easily chalked up to circumstances. In this case because stride seemed to be reluctant to go into a secluded place as several witnesses saw her with the man with the peaked cap over the course of at least an hour. He lost his temper, and that is probably why she wound up with only the cut throat and no mutilation. And why eddowes wound up with both as the killers true motive, abdominal multinational and removal of organs was not satisfied.


Same victimology
Unsolved
Murder by cut throat
Hour apart
Close proximity
First victim not "finished"
Second victim "completed" and then some
Both victims being shmoozed before hand out on the street
Witnesses for both describe a similar man with a peaked cap

I would also add the anon church street sighting of the man in a peak cap wiping his hands about the same time in between the murders to show him seen en route.

Pattern.
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Stride's murderer does not seem to have been angry. I don't think it was the B.S. man. No argument was heard post B.S. man. Stride was not slapped around, no blows to the face. She was not stabbed anywhere on her body other than her throat. And of course those damn cachous. I don't see anger anywhere in that scenario rather a cool, calculated killer that caught her off guard.

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"A moderately cut throat preceded by a violent struggle outside a noisy club..."

Hello Sam,

A "violent struggle"? Not according to Schwartz.

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Stride's murderer does not seem to have been angry. I don't think it was the B.S. man. No argument was heard post B.S. man. Stride was not slapped around, no blows to the face. She was not stabbed anywhere on her body other than her throat. And of course those damn cachous. I don't see anger anywhere in that scenario rather a cool, calculated killer that caught her off guard.

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Do you care to elaborate there, Abby?

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Do you care to elaborate there, Abby?

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Marshall pc smith Schwartz, church street sighting, Lawende. All describe a man wearing a peaked cap.

It's the final straw for me that connects stride and eddowes murder and that bs man was not only strides killer but also the ripper.
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