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Old 02-20-2009, 08:37 PM
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Arrow Flower and Dean Street

Does anybody know if a known witness or a known suspect lived on Flower and Dean Street and if so, who were they?

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Old 02-21-2009, 06:48 PM
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Well, it's the centre of gravity of the crimes, and they did canvas the area at the time of the murders because so many of the victims came from that street.
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Old 02-22-2009, 12:33 AM
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Hullo Ronnie,

Well, plenty of witnesses lived in Flowery Dean Street, basically fellow lodgers of the victims or lodging house keepers.

The most prominent witness I suppose is Eddowes' man John Kelly (No.56), otherwise they're all minor players from No.32, 55 or 56. As for suspects, I'm not so sure.

But as Dark Passenger says it was a kind of centre of gravity. Around 15 lodging houses in 1888 holding about 700 people (and that does not include occupants of the other houses in the street, or Rothschild Buildings).
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Old 05-19-2009, 12:43 AM
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Yes,Ive always thought that the term 'centre of gravity' describes it well. For years since I was young,Ive always wondered what it looked like, now,thanks to John,Rob and Phil on here,Ive some idea.I find the pictures captivating,even haunting,particularly the ones of the children playing in the street, but even the ones from the 60s/70s. Whenever I visit the east end now, I always go into Lolesworth close just as its getting dark,and look west into the near distance at the buildings closing in at the end of the street, to get some idea what is was like. Looking east is harder to picture of course.
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Old 05-19-2009, 12:55 PM
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Default Flower and Dean Street Ripper Residents

Below are some of the residents of Flower and Dean Street that appear in the Ripper saga :


John Bennett - Annie Farmer witness - 10 Flower and Dean St

Elizabeth Tanner - Deputy Keeper - 32 Flower and Dean St

Thomas Bates - Watchman - 32 Flower and Dean St

Ann Miller - (Mills) Bedmaker - 32 Flower and Dean St

One-Armed Liz and Toby - knew Liz Stride - 32 Flower and Dean St

Catherine Lane - Charwoman - 32 Flower and Dean St

Liz Stride - 32 Flower and Dean St

Charles Preston - Barber -32 Flower and Dean St

Margaret Brown - Deputy Keeper -34 Flower and Dean St

Elizabeth Burns - Charles Ludwig witness -53 Flower and Dean St

Catherine Eddowes and John Kelly - 55 Flower and Dean St

Frederick William Wilkinson - Deputy Keeper - 55 Flower and Dean St

Smith - Lodging House Keeper - 55 Flower and Dean St

Margaret Franklin -Alice McKenzie witness- 56 Flower and Dean St

Mary Nichols - 56 Flower and Dean St

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This thread deserves another look I think, it's something I've been thinking about for a while and only now thought to post. IF our killer was indeed a local who lived in the heart, the very epicentre of his spree. Nothing new in that theory I'm well aware, just say for instance we followed that line of enquiry rather thoroughly...

How much do we know about the people who lived just off the Commercial Road i.e. Fashion Street, F&D Street etc and what is there if anything to suspect or tie any individual to any of the murders/victims ?

Who are the most local in terms of suspects living off the Commercial Rd?

My apologies if this or similar matter has been previously covered in another thread.

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I always thought Thrawl St was a safer bet for a possible JtR base.
Goerge Hutchinson saw his surly,well dressed man emerging from Thrawl St;and Annie Farmers assailant disappeared into Thrawl St.How many coincidences can be attributed to one St?.
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Old 04-09-2014, 05:41 PM
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I always thought Thrawl St was a safer bet for a possible JtR base.
Goerge Hutchinson saw his surly,well dressed man emerging from Thrawl St;and Annie Farmers assailant disappeared into Thrawl St.How many coincidences can be attributed to one St?.
Frances Coles and Polly Nichols lived together in Thrawl Street. And as I document in my book, the Leather Apron character (the real one, not Pizer) can be traced back to Thrawl Street.

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It seems likely the killer lived or worked near flower & dean, i apologize for stating the obvious
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There was a sighting reported in one of the papers (The Star?) of a man sitting on a doorstep on Church Lane in the aftermath of the Stride murder. There is no real reason to suppose that this was her killer but it's not impossible.

If a line is drawn from the Stride murder site through Church Lane and extended onwards, and a second line is drawn from the Mitre Square through the site of GSG/Apron on Goulston Street, the two converge around Flower and Dean Street. Highly speculative though!
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