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Heres the thing, we have evidence that Kate and John were together every night during the period that they were a "team" leading up to the murder. She apparently wasn't out trawling anywhere. Then we have the evidence that she had been out of town for a few months with John, hops picking.

So when did she gain familiarity with a square that is almost in total darkness when she enters it? I think my point is that we have very little evidence that Kate was any kind of regular street walker. That she may have resorted to it on occasion is one thing, but enough to be familiar with tiny dark squares in the city?
She had been living 15mins from Mitre Square for the past 7 years, Mike.
Of course she knew the vicinity.
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She had been living 15mins from Mitre Square for the past 7 years, Mike.
Of course she knew the vicinity.
I believe that suggests that its reasonable to assume that she knew Mitre Square Jon, not that she did.

I think in the case we have here, its equally probable that either Kate or Sailor Man led the way into the darkness. Which makes the question of knowledge that much more significant.
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I believe that suggests that its reasonable to assume that she knew Mitre Square Jon, not that she did.
Yes, she and any other local would have been familiar with the surrounding vicinity.
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Yes, she and any other local would have been familiar with the surrounding vicinity.
Youll forgive me Jon I take your comments as what you believe is the case rather than as an empirical fact.
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Youll forgive me Jon I take your comments as what you believe is the case rather than as an empirical fact.
They're both the same thing, Mike, but you can believe what you want.
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They're both the same thing, Mike, but you can believe what you want.
Hey again Jon, Ive taken a position throughout this study that unless I have secondary sources, I assume nothing. Its one reason why I do not subscribe to a Canonical Group, I do not assume seemingly dissimilar events are connected.

In the case of this thread, I believe the evidence allows for a preliminary conclusion that some of the Canonicals facilitated the killer by taking him somewhere he could "operate". Those would be the ones actively seeking to solicit money from strangers in the middle of the night. The ones that needed doss desperately on the respective nights. It seems to me that Mary was very drunk and had a room and a habit of running arrears, therefore no immediate need or desire to solicit strangers, Liz had 6d that went somewhere before she died, and Kate, had she looked for John, would have had a bed to sleep in that night.

Only Polly and Annie were known to have been actively soliciting....and that is perhaps a key distinguishing factor for their killer....he didn't need to coax them anywhere, they led willingly.
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