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    Here is a court case from the Old Bailey from June 27th, 1887 in which Hyam Hyams testifies for the defense on behalf of a friend who has a fruit stand next to his on Mitre Street. The friend was accused of purchasing train tickets without paying full price.


    Jeff

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    It is interesting that with the name Hyam....With Lawende, Levy etc, with the name Hyam, that those three witnesses that identified Catherine Eddowes by her clothing and a description of a man they gave with her that the time differences between identifying catherine by clothing alive, then within 2 minutes she was found dead with timing accounts & all, that either the witnesses were lying or the police with thier beat was lying. it does make me wonder that the Police may well have been the culprits for covering up thier beat, as it is an impossibility that Catherine could have been killed and cut open in that space of time, no matter how quick the killer was, it must have taken at least 15 - 20 minutes to cut her open, not to mention the time it would have taken to make sure she was expired before cutting her wide open....At least another 10 - 20 minutes, as it was in the October and winter time, so the body would have cooled quickly, that might explain why she had a greenish bruise of a thumb mark on her stomach/abdomen.

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    • #3
      Hyam Hyams just named JTR in the Telegraph (July 15th 2023)...medical evidence from his incarceration said to reveal him as the killer.

      https://news.yahoo.com/jack-rippers-...-sh&soc_trk=ma
      Last edited by SuspectZero; 07-15-2023, 07:24 PM.

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        https://news.yahoo.com/jack-rippers-...-sh&soc_trk=ma

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        • #5
          Thanks for posting this SZ.

          “Witnesses described a man in his mid-thirties with a stiff arm and an irregular gait with bent knees.”


          Does anyone know what witnesses she’s talking about?

          Ive just pre-ordered it.
          Last edited by Herlock Sholmes; 07-15-2023, 07:52 PM.
          Regards

          Sir Herlock Sholmes.

          “A house of delusions is cheap to build but draughty to live in.”

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          • #6
            I've seen a witness recounting in the papers that mentioned the legs/gait. That lead me to the lodger candidate who had this affliction, but never heard about a one armed one with a gait. Not sure how you can perform the ripper surgical extractions with one arm before, let alone overpowering the victim with one hand.

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            • #7
              If the linked article covers the crux of her circumstantial case I'd say it is extremely weak and he sounds like a poor suspect imo.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post
                Thanks for posting this SZ.

                “Witnesses described a man in his mid-thirties with a stiff arm and an irregular gait with bent knees.”


                Does anyone know what witnesses she’s talking about?

                Ive just pre-ordered it.
                In a Times article dated 19th September 1888 an unnamed witness describes Charles Ludwig as having "something the matter with one of his legs and he walks stiffly", but if it's a description of Ludwig it presumably isn't Hyams
                I won't always agree but I'll try not to be disagreeable.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Bridewell View Post

                  In a Times article dated 19th September 1888 an unnamed witness describes Charles Ludwig as having "something the matter with one of his legs and he walks stiffly", but if it's a description of Ludwig it presumably isn't Hyams
                  Cheers Colin.
                  Regards

                  Sir Herlock Sholmes.

                  “A house of delusions is cheap to build but draughty to live in.”

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                  • #10
                    Dave Knott from JTR- 'GWB' was reported as walking peculiarly with his feet wide apart and knees bending in ... amazingly his family recognized this as a trait affecting HWB's direct descendants
                    Dave is referring to Henry Wentworth Bellsmith aka the Lodger.


                    Last edited by SuspectZero; 07-15-2023, 09:58 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Dave Knott from JTR- 'GWB' was reported as walking peculiarly with his feet wide apart and knees bending in ... amazingly his family recognized this as a trait affecting HWB's direct descendants
                      Dave is referring to Henry Wentworth Bellsmith aka the Lodger. ​

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                      • #12
                        Henry James was briefly suspected after been spotted behaving suspiciously by Thomas Ede, a railway signalman, close to the Foresters Arms public house on Cambridge Heath Road, on the day Annie Chapman was murdered, 8 September 1888. Ede stated, 'James was moving oddly and one of his arms appeared to be wooden'. He also claimed to have seen a knife protruding from James pocket. James was questioned but soon cleared of any suspicion of being Jack the Ripper because according to the press reports, he was a well known local lunatic. Exactly how a lunatic wandering Whitechapel armed with a knife, when there was a knife wielding killer on the loose, could be considered harmless is hard to understand. James was described as wearing a two peaked cap similar to one worn by the suspect Leather Apron.


                        JM

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