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This is from Casebook Forums, posted by Chris Scott on July 21st, 2012 ...

"With regard to Maria Harvey, I thought I had lost these notes!
Way back when, as I was doing the work for the "Cast of Thousands" project, I did some work on Maria Harvey which, as it turned out, I did not use. For what it's worth below are the notes on the woman I considered at the time as the best bet to be Kelly's friend. This was only ever a possible and I make no definite claim that this IS her, only that it is a possible.

1891
65 Westmoreland Place, Hoxton
Head: Maria Harvey (Widow) aged 42 born Clerkenwell - Mangler (Wash)
Children:
Charles aged 23 born Islington - Stick dresser
Alfred aged 21 born Bow - Stick dresser
Caroline aged 18 born Clerkenwell - Machinist
Florette aged 15 born Clerkenwell - Envelope folder
Herbert aged 13 born Clerkenwell - Stick dresser's apprentice
William aged 10 born Hoxton
Lawrence aged 7 born Hoxton
Edith aged 4 born Hoxton
Brother: George Scott aged 38 born Islington - Stick dresser
The fortuitous presence of maria's brother tells us that her maiden name would have been Maria Scott.

Westmoreland Place is now named Westland Place and runs north off the City Road north-west of Old Street. At the northern end, Westland Place runs into Nile Street, one time street of residence of Henrietta, Joseph Fleming's mother.

The oldest child listed was 23 in 1891 so would have been born about 1868, so assuming all were legitimate, the marriage should be probably not long before this. In fact Maria married in 1865.
Church of St Philip, Clerkenwell
Date: 25 December 1865
Groom:
Name: Charles Harvey
Age: 23
Condition: Bachelor
Profession: Carver
Residence: 17 Green Terrace
Father's name: Joseph Harvey
Father's trade: Printer
Bride:
Name: Maria Scott
Age: 19
Condition: Spinster
Residence: 7 City Gardens
Father's name: William Scott
Father's trade: Watch finisher
Witnesses:
William Scott
Emma Thomas

Regarding the date of Maria becoming a widow, in 1891 the youngest child, Edith is listed as 4 years old, therefore born about 1887. Allowing for the term of the pregnancy, Charles Harvey could have died any time after about mid 1886. From the marriage record we know he was born in about 1842.
The only likely record is:-
Name: Charles Henry W Harvey
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1890
Age at Death: 47
Registration district: Shoreditch
Inferred County: London

Other addresses:
1881 census
27 Westmoreland Place, Hoxton

Prior to her marriage, Maria is listed as follows:-
1851 census
5 Brewer Street, Clerkenwell
Head: James Aldhouse aged 76 born Ipswich - Roadsman
Wife: Maria Aldhouse aged 68 born Ipswich
Son in law: William Scott aged 27 born St Lukes - Watchmaker and finisher
Daughter: Hannah Scott aged 24 born Hoxton
Grandchildren:
Hannah aged 6 born St Lukes
Maria aged 4 born Clerkenwell
William aged 1 born St Lukes

1861 census:
7 City Gardens, Islington
Head: William Scott aged 37 born St Lukes - Watch finisher
Wife: Hannah Scott aged 33 born Islington
Children:
Hannah aged 16 born St Lukes - Flower seller
Maria aged 14 born Clerkenwell
William aged 11 born St Lukes
George aged 8 born Islington
John aged 6 born Islington
Eliza aged 3 born Islington

This I believe to be Maria's death:
Name: Maria Harvey
Birth Date: abt 1847
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1933
Age at Death: 86
Registration district: Shoreditch
Inferred County: London
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I think I was mixing Harvey up with Lizzie Albrook.
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I think I was mixing Harvey up with Lizzie Albrook.
Ah, yes. She was about 19/20 you're right.
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