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Old 02-21-2018, 04:23 PM
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Just watched the Panorama show from ‘66 again, can’t say I care for the man either particularly, but I fail to see how anyone can challenge the mans ardour, in his beliefs of Alphons guilt.
The Panorama programme was Justice’s first big success at getting the media to play his tune.

After an interview with Evans mentioning a paper-seller witness the narrator said: “We searched Rhyl for the paper-seller and found him” - when actually Jones was delivered to them by Evans himself.

They must have known their ‘new witness’ Charlie Jones was lying.
“He come off the bus. He says to me: ‘Where is Terry?’ I told him straight I didn’t know who Terry was. At the time I didn’t know it was the Terry I knew. He says: ‘Which way do you go to the fairground?’ So I pointed down the road and he went down the road that way and he says ‘OK.’ Then he come back and says: ‘Any idea where I can get digs?’ And I says: ‘Yes, go to number 19 Kinmel Street’. I says: ‘Mrs Jones will put you up.’”

How did he know it was a Tuesday?
“The Rhyl Journal and Advertiser was out the next day. The person asked me if we’d got it and we hadn’t got it.”

How did he know it was Hanratty?
“The reason why is I notice his shoes are very bad.”
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'Quote' After an interview with Evans mentioning a paper-seller witness the narrator said: “We searched Rhyl for the paper-seller and found him” - when actually Jones was delivered to them by Evans himself.
What was wrong with this Nick? I don't see your point.
In fact I don't understand what your getting at regarding the Rhyl witnesses. They are all simple lower working class folk, just not too articulate that's all.
I reckon they're as sound as a pound personally!

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How did he know it was a Tuesday?
“The Rhyl Journal and Advertiser was out the next day. The person asked me if we’d got it and we hadn’t got it.”

How did he know it was Hanratty?
“The reason why is I notice his shoes are very bad.”
In fairness, I think that Charlie Jones is saying that another person, not the person he is identifying as Hanratty, had just asked him if he had the Rhyl Journal and Advertiser.

It is accepted that Hanratty only knew Terry Evans as "John" so how could he be asking for Terry when he got off the bus?

My recollection is that Charlie retracted these statements before Nimmo.
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Charlie Jones admitted that Evans had persuaded him to lie and that he agreed to do so as he was hard pressed for money at that time. But the interview he gave was so obviously rubbish (we can go through it line by line if you wish) and the Panorama producer Jo Menell - working with Paul Foot – would have known that it did not correspond with Hanratty’s account of searching for a guesthouse. One might excuse them by saying that they had not done enough research, but the “We searched Rhyl for the paper-seller” comment suggests deliberate deception.

The narrator also says: ‘Near the railway station, a few doors from a betting shop, he said, there was a boarding house where he found a room.’ But Hanratty never said this. The fact that Ingeldene was three doors down from a betting shop was revealed by Swanwick when he was asking Grace Jones about the local landmarks that Hanratty would have seen but did not mention.

The trick of having the supposedly independent narrator declare falsehoods was used again in the Woffinden documentary ...
http://forum.casebook.org/showthread...838#post411838
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Charlie Jones admitted that Evans had persuaded him to lie and that he agreed to do so as he was hard pressed for money at that time. But the interview he gave was so obviously rubbish (we can go through it line by line if you wish) and the Panorama producer Jo Menell - working with Paul Foot – would have known that it did not correspond with Hanratty’s account of searching for a guesthouse. One might excuse them by saying that they had not done enough research, but the “We searched Rhyl for the paper-seller” comment suggests deliberate deception.

The narrator also says: ‘Near the railway station, a few doors from a betting shop, he said, there was a boarding house where he found a room.’ But Hanratty never said this. The fact that Ingeldene was three doors down from a betting shop was revealed by Swanwick when he was asking Grace Jones about the local landmarks that Hanratty would have seen but did not mention.

The trick of having the supposedly independent narrator declare falsehoods was used again in the Woffinden documentary ...
http://forum.casebook.org/showthread...838#post411838
Mrs Grace Jones gave evidence and repeated it in the Panorama program that Hanratty occupied Room 4, which is a first floor room at the front of Ingledene. The prosecution produced Mr Sayle who said he was the occupant of Room 4, moreover Hanratty had said his room was at the back. Yet Panorama ignored this.
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