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......and say that I gave birth to the twentieth century."-JtR

This quote was attributed to JtR in the movie From Hell. Does it appear in any of the many letters sent to the police at the time? i have not seen it anywhere.
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Hi Abby,

THe line is from the movie, but it was inspiredby several dialogues that the killer, Gull, makes in the original Graphic Novel. Like you, I have also read the Ripper notes looking to see if it was in there and I haven't found it, but there are tons to look through. So, who knows, but I don't think so.
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Hi Abby,

THe line is from the movie, but it was inspiredby several dialogues that the killer, Gull, makes in the original Graphic Novel. Like you, I have also read the Ripper notes looking to see if it was in there and I haven't found it, but there are tons to look through. So, who knows, but I don't think so.
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I did not know that-I nevr saw the graphic novel.
I have Stewart Evan's book Letters from Hell and have read most of the letters in the book, but have not yet seen it.
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Abby, are you implying something quasi factual was in From Hell? Dave
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The only place I have seen that line is in From Hell:
Sir William Gull: Below the skin of history are London's veins. These symbols, the mitre, the pentacle star even someone as ignorant and degenerate as you can sense that they course with energy and meaning. I am that meaning. I am that energy. One day men will look back and say I gave birth to the 20th century.

Frederick Abberline: You're not going to see the 20th century!
I think it's just artistic licence. I don't believe that the line appears anywhere in the known documents and letters.
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The only place I have seen that line is in From Hell:
Sir William Gull: Below the skin of history are London's veins. These symbols, the mitre, the pentacle star even someone as ignorant and degenerate as you can sense that they course with energy and meaning. I am that meaning. I am that energy. One day men will look back and say I gave birth to the 20th century.

Frederick Abberline: You're not going to see the 20th century!
I think it's just artistic licence. I don't believe that the line appears anywhere in the known documents and letters.
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Thanks JTRS
I did not know that-I nevr saw the graphic novel.
I have Stewart Evan's book Letters from Hell and have read most of the letters in the book, but have not yet seen it.
The graphic novel is fab, Abby ! I have two young teenage sons who absoloutly refuse to pick up a book and read, so I've developed a habit of going to the library and getting a wide selection of books that I think might interest them -then I leave the books lying around in their room, nick the cord for the computer screen, tell them that I'm going to bed early (the telly is in my bedroom), and forbid them to keep the light on ("it's an early night -there's school tomorrow !") -of course they discover the pleasure of reading quietly 'in secret' under the covers. They don't admit doing it -but I find the books under their beds and in their backpacks.

I try and choose a couple of 'graphic novels' because they're not 'off-putting' chunks of text, but not pure comic books either.

'From Hell' was one of the best, because not only it had suitably gothic and smoggy 'murder' to appeal to boys, but it also situates the events in 1888 in
terms of what was happening in the world at the time, and London in particular. It has much in common with Dan Ackroyd's novels (infact, you've given given me the idea to look for 'Dan Leno and the Limehouse Golam' in French -they being computer mad).

The book is a load of 'hokum in the end (the old Steven Knight version of the Whitechapel murders -and of course the Johnny Depp film) -but it does weave in a lot of facts...wanting to check them led me to Casebook..and my boys did read it avidly.
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The graphic novel is fab, Abby ! I have two young teenage sons who absoloutly refuse to pick up a book and read, so I've developed a habit of going to the library and getting a wide selection of books that I think might interest them -then I leave the books lying around in their room, nick the cord for the computer screen, tell them that I'm going to bed early (the telly is in my bedroom), and forbid them to keep the light on ("it's an early night -there's school tomorrow !") -of course they discover the pleasure of reading quietly 'in secret' under the covers. They don't admit doing it -but I find the books under their beds and in their backpacks.

I try and choose a couple of 'graphic novels' because they're not 'off-putting' chunks of text, but not pure comic books either.

'From Hell' was one of the best, because not only it had suitably gothic and smoggy 'murder' to appeal to boys, but it also situates the events in 1888 in
terms of what was happening in the world at the time, and London in particular. It has much in common with Dan Ackroyd's novels (infact, you've given given me the idea to look for 'Dan Leno and the Limehouse Golam' in French -they being computer mad).

The book is a load of 'hokum in the end (the old Steven Knight version of the Whitechapel murders -and of course the Johnny Depp film) -but it does weave in a lot of facts...wanting to check them led me to Casebook..and my boys did read it avidly.
Thanks Ruby.

Dan Ackroyd the comic/actor? i did not know he wrote any novels?
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Dan Ackroyd the comic/actor? i did not know he wrote any novels?
I mean PETER Ackroyd of course -and the lapsus talls you that I'm a Blues Sister ? (probably).
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I mean PETER Ackroyd of course -and the lapsus tells you that I'm a Blues Sister ? (probably).
..and my eldest son is named Louis (Louie) for a reason..
(it's been a long day at work..)
(and even that I mean John Belushi in Animal House..I'm too tired to Casebook tonight !!!!!).

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