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Old 06-26-2016, 03:36 PM
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Default This article in 1889 mentions a Mr Abrahams.

The following involved The Bell Club which was just off of Commercial Road at the top of Fieldgate street. I will have to look out the date for you as I do not have it to hand. I often wondered if they could have been talking about Aaron.


I tried to follow this up but I could not find mention this Abrahams again. The men charged were George McLeod, Edward Cohen, Joseph Garcia, Phillip Michals, Edward Moss Michals, Rueben Michals and William Beaver all similar ages as Aaron.

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Nope, you read right. Ha! There really does seem to be a town called "Kosmin" in Poland, but it must be pretty tiny, as I have never heard of it. But here's a mystery solved, I think. Kosmin, as it happens, is in the province of Lublin Voivodeship. These people must have come from there and that's why one was called "Kosminski" and the other "Lubnowski", the first having the meaning of someone from Kosmin and the second someone from Lublin. But you can be assured that these were never the original family names. Those were Abrahams [or something near] and Cohen. There is an illustrious Jewish family of London, called Abrahams, originally named "Abramovitch". It produced a fine scholar, Professor Israel Abrahams, also a Chief Rabbi of Capetown eventually. A very great scholar and excellent writer was another Israel Abrahams of London, who wrote the book, "Jewish Life in the Middle Ages" [1896].

Eastern European Jews suffered plenty from anti-Semitism, which even resulted in deadly pogroms. Not quite knowing what they would find in Western Europe or England, the families adopted non-Jewish appearing names when they migrated west. But, it looks like one Kosminski was naturalized under his actual family name--Abrahams. When Aaron Kosminski was arrested for being in the company of a dog without a muzzle, his brother evidently thought he ought to come clean and tell the magistrate that Aaron's surname was actually Abrahams. I think that's what happened and that was why, in the 1920's, that lady also decided to give up the pretense and change her surname back to Cohen from Lubnowski.
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Probably half the men at the club were called Abrahams. Just kidding--but I think it was probably quite a common surname. I mentioned a couple of prominent Londoners by that name--but forgot Harold Abrahams, the man upon whose career the film "Chariots of Fire" was based. This article strikes me as having a bit of an anti-Semitic bias. There were such things as Zionist organizations and German Jews were the most ardent Zionists. That's what the "club" might have been about. It seems rather odd that two girls would have gone looking for an Abrahams. "'Ere, Abrahams, was you interferin' wif our Bessie?" It may be have been that the girls and the "passers-by" had all gone to heckle the Jews and got more than they bargained for. You never know.
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And the same middle name, along with Joan of Arc and many others
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I think it was a bit more than that..... more a riot, as you can see in this following article.,
I could only find 11 Abrahams in the 1891 census searching using the criteria of born 1964 + or - 5, and male....
It shows how high the tensions were at that time....

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Craps-shooting Zionists?

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I think it was a bit more than that..... more a riot, as you can see in this following article.,
I could only find 11 Abrahams in the 1891 census searching using the criteria of born 1964 + or - 5, and male....
It shows how high the tensions were at that time....

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Surprised you found that many in 1891' born between 1959 and 1969
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Surprised you found that many in 1891' born between 1959 and 1969
It was probably just a sort of timey-wimey, wibbley-wobbley time travel thing, GUT...
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Oops I think I am getting old and daft !
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