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Old 06-25-2016, 11:26 AM
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I doubt anything here is new to anyone but a search proved inconclusive as to whether these facts had received an airing.

From a search on Find My Past, the one newspaper report that refers to Aaron Kosminski is in relation to an un-muzzled dog and this was in 1889. There is mention here of his brother and of the name Abrahams. In fact they seem to have used both surnames.

According to the Casebook Suspect Guide on Kosminski:
“On 12 July 1890, he was admitted to the Mile End Town workhouse infirmary, from his brother Wolf’s residence at 3 Sion Square, Commercial Road East”.

In the 1892 Electoral Register, Woolf Abrahams is resident at 3 Sion Square so there is further evidence of their use of this surname. In 1888, Woolf Abrahams was at 62 Greenfield Street. In 1885, an Aaron Abrahams was at 58 Grove Street, St Botolph Without Aldgate – was this Kosminski?

This avenue has probably been explored previously so I have a question as to whether Woolf Abrahams, Woolf Kosminski and Wolek Lab Kosminski have been shown to be one and the same person? Does the Abrahams aspect open up any new seams for research on Aaron Kosminski at all?
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Strictly speaking, there is no surname "Kosminski". The surnames of Poland are carefully documented as to what clan they belonged to. The name is "Kozminski" and this one even has a coat of arms. That name belongs to the JASTRZE-BIEC Clan of Poland. Arms granted in 999 and the Clan established 1319.

http://pioro.ca/?page_id=781

A Jew might have taken the name of Kozminski if he came from the town of Kozmin--of which there were several in various parts of Poland. Most Polish Jews did not have a surname like that, however. They had Germanic type last names. The Jews of Poland spoke Yiddish, an old German dialect mixed with Hebrew [they came to Poland from Germany, invited there by King Casimir]. Kozminski is a fancy, aristocratic-sounding name that someone in the family decided to adopt, just as director Roman Polanski's artist father took that surname--although the real family name was Liebling [meaning "darling"]. How's that for pedantic?
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And in the UK they used the name Abrahams instead of Kosminski/Kozminski in this case. In addition, the Lubnowskis used the surname Cohen.

Woolf (Kozminski) obtianed naturalisation in 1887 under the name of Woolf Abrahams whereas his brother in law, Morris obtained it in the same year as Morris Lubnowski (even though he also used Cohen).

Thanks for your information Alderbaran.

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And in the UK they used the name Abrahams instead of Kosminski/Kozminski in this case. In addition, the Lubnowskis used the surname Cohen.

Woolf (Kozminski) obtianed naturalisation in 1887 under the name of Woolf Abrahams whereas his brother in law, Morris obtained it in the same year as Morris Lubnowski (even though he also used Cohen).

Thanks for your information Alderbaran.
It's interesting. Why Kozminski and Lubnowski--those high-fallutin' names? Were they trying to pass for ethnic Poles at some point? In England? It's weird because, in Poland, only Jews who lived in big cities spoke Polish well and then usually with a Jewish accent unless they were highly educated persons. In rural Poland, the Jews lived in villages, didn't mix with Poles much and spoke only Yiddish. Or they might have spoken a broken Polish. I know it seems strange, but I knew such people, Holocaust survivors who came to live in America following the war. However, perhaps these 19th Century people figured a Brit wouldn't know one Polish immigrant from another.

BTW, look at the upper right hand corner of this file:

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/.../2611/data.pdf

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Yes that is interesting - Zetta Lubnowski is probably some relative of Aaron Kozminski - his sister Malka (Mathilda) married Mosiek (Morris) Lubnowsli/Cohen. Of course there may be no connection although Kozminski's mother was originally Golda Lubnowski I believe.

In the link to your original post, I notice that there is Kosminski listed, for example under LUBICZ. I'm probably mis-reading something.

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Yes that is interesting - Zetta Lubnowski is probably some relative of Aaron Kozminski - his sister Malka (Mathilda) married Mosiek (Morris) Lubnowsli/Cohen. Of course there may be no connection although Kozminski's mother was originally Golda Lubnowski I believe.

In the link to your original post, I notice that there is Kosminski listed, for example under LUBICZ. I'm probably mis-reading something.
Nope, you read right. Ha! There really does seem to be a town called "Kosmin" in Poland, but it must be pretty tiny, as I have never heard of it. But here's a mystery solved, I think. Kosmin, as it happens, is in the province of Lublin Voivodeship. These people must have come from there and that's why one was called "Kosminski" and the other "Lubnowski", the first having the meaning of someone from Kosmin and the second someone from Lublin. But you can be assured that these were never the original family names. Those were Abrahams [or something near] and Cohen. There is an illustrious Jewish family of London, called Abrahams, originally named "Abramovitch". It produced a fine scholar, Professor Israel Abrahams, also a Chief Rabbi of Capetown eventually. A very great scholar and excellent writer was another Israel Abrahams of London, who wrote the book, "Jewish Life in the Middle Ages" [1896].

Eastern European Jews suffered plenty from anti-Semitism, which even resulted in deadly pogroms. Not quite knowing what they would find in Western Europe or England, the families adopted non-Jewish appearing names when they migrated west. But, it looks like one Kosminski was naturalized under his actual family name--Abrahams. When Aaron Kosminski was arrested for being in the company of a dog without a muzzle, his brother evidently thought he ought to come clean and tell the magistrate that Aaron's surname was actually Abrahams. I think that's what happened and that was why, in the 1920's, that lady also decided to give up the pretense and change her surname back to Cohen from Lubnowski.

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