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Brown, Halse and (probably) Long seem to have been satisfied that it matched the apron still attached to the body.

Brown:On the piece of apron brought on there were smears of blood on one side as if a hand or a knife had been wiped on it. It fitted the piece of apron in evidence [NB: not partially fitted, but fitted]

yes the two pieces matched but there is not one scrap of real evidence which states the two pieces ever made up a full apron

Halse: I came through Goulston-street about twenty minutes past two, and then returned to Mitre-square, subsequently going to the mortuary. I saw the deceased, and noticed that a portion of her apron was missing [confirmation that there was a piece of Eddowes' apron missing].

He doesnt say she was wearing the mortuary piece does he ? The mortuary piece was floating around, and i guess anyone looking at it would be able to see it had been cut or torn. But that doesn't prove she was wearing an apron.

Why did he specifically notice a piece missing at this time there was no need to closely examine the mortuary piece because as I keep saying the GS piece had not yet been found and by the time he got there the body had been stripped I believe and the lists no doubt made up.

A constable of the Metropolitan Police [unnamed, but probably Long] deposed to finding in Goulston-street a portion of an apron corresponding with the fragment of the same garment found upon the body [not partly corresponding, but corresponding to the apron found upon the body].

What a load of old tosh. A piece of old white apron was found on her and listed amongst her posessions

Edit: So, irrespective of what Robinson and Hutt may have said, it is well-attested that an incomplete apron was still attached to Eddowes at the mortuary, and that the apron-piece found at Goulston Street fitted it.
No thats not correct either. Lets stop using secondary sources

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Which is why both answered "to the best of my knowledge" and "to the best of my belief" when asked.



Hutt and Robinson confirmed she was wearing an apron when they saw her.
You are also missing the point, when they gave evidence that she was wearing an apron they should have been asked what drew their attention to the apron, was it different from all the other aprons being worn at the time. And what made that particular apron stick out in their minds to be able to say 6 days later when they gave evidence why they believed that what they were shown came from the apron she was wearing?

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Not to mention Wilkinson, the lodging house deputy who saw Eddowes earlier thay day.
Almost every woman wore a white apron back then !

I will ask a question which applies to all on this thread "Can you remember what colour shirt you were wearing 6 days ago?

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No thats not correct either. Lets stop using secondary sources
I give up.
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You are also missing the point, when they gave evidence that she was wearing an apron they should have been asked what drew their attention to the apron,
You mean what drew the policemen`s attention to the big white thing wrapped around her torso ?

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was it different from all the other aprons being worn at the time. And what made that particular apron stick out in their minds to be able to say 6 days later when they gave evidence why they believed that what they were shown came from the apron she was wearing?
6 days later, Trevor ?!?!?!?!?
Can I ask then, when was it that the city police realised Eddowes had been in their custody before she was murdered ?
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6 days later, Trevor ?!?!?!?!?
Can I ask then, when was it that the city police realised Eddowes had been in their custody before she was murdered ?
Evidently not until it had been written up in the papers!
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You mean what drew the policemen`s attention to the big white thing wrapped around her torso ?



6 days later, Trevor ?!?!?!?!?
Can I ask then, when was it that the city police realised Eddowes had been in their custody before she was murdered ?
How many day was it between the murder and the inquest when they gave their evidence ? Bearing in mind the city inquests were held differently to the Met Police inquests.

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I give up.
I do to !

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"There are none so blind as those who cannot see, or dont want to see"
You should adopt that motto as your signature, Trev.
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How many day was it between the murder and the inquest when they gave their evidence ? Bearing in mind the city inquests were held differently to the Met Police inquests.

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Let's see ..... Sunday,Monday,Tuesday,Wednesday,Thursday .... four days!
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