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View Poll Results: McKenzie - Ripper victim or not?
YES 23 43.40%
NO 17 32.08%
UNDECIDED 13 24.53%
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Old 10-26-2015, 11:04 PM
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Hi Hanway
I was undecided until recently but now I am pretty much convinced she was:

same victimology
same location
same time frame-night
unsolved
killed with knife
throat cut
left carteroid artery severed
two cuts to neck
neck cut while lying on ground
abdomen/pelvic/ privates targeted and cut(ripped)
High level (munroe)police at the time believed she was a ripper victim
Dr believed she was a ripper victim
Found lying on back
And the clincher for me-found with skirt pushed up-like the others, including Tabram.

She was a ripper victim.
Look at the cuts on her abdomen compared to Polly Nichols. They are almost identical except the number of them. Same two directions. Horizontal and vertical! Imagine that.
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Old 12-02-2015, 09:51 AM
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Interesting that people think that McKenzie was more likely a Ripper victim than Ellen Bury. Even though Ellen Bury's abdominal mutilations were deeper and her face had been disfigured (like Eddowes, Kelly). Does it all come down to the cut throat?
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Old 12-02-2015, 09:54 AM
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Interesting that people think that McKenzie was more likely a Ripper victim than Ellen Bury. Even though Ellen Bury's abdominal mutilations were deeper and her face had been disfigured (like Eddowes, Kelly). Does it all come down to the cut throat?
For me Harry there needs to be three components....double cut throat, legs splayed, abdominal/pelvic mutilations.
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For me Harry there needs to be three components....double cut throat, legs splayed, abdominal/pelvic mutilations.
McKenzie had all three components, Mike.
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McKenzie had all three components, Mike.
I realize that Jon, I was addressing the comparison with Bury. I personally believe that whomever killed Kate Eddowes possibly killed Alice. I believe the person who killed Polly and Annie was off the streets after those first 2 murders.
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I realize that Jon, I was addressing the comparison with Bury. I personally believe that whomever killed Kate Eddowes possibly killed Alice. I believe the person who killed Polly and Annie was off the streets after those first 2 murders.
Aha, I thought that with those credentials she might have made your canon, Mike.
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Old 11-14-2016, 02:06 AM
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The details I have read about the case make me struggle NOT to include her as a ripper victim.

The main reason I can see for excluding her is if the person reading the details has a specific suspect in mind whom is not compatible (for one example Druitt, but there are lots of suspects who could not be responsible for Alice)

The fact that she happens a bit later, well, she happens a bit later.
But what happens to her is extremely compelling to include her in the series.

So, what have I missed?

Can anyone talk me out of linking Alice McKenzie to the Whitechapel Murder series?
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