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Old 02-02-2017, 03:24 AM
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A fascinating case. I haven't studied it as extensively as some of you here but I'd say the bottom-line is if there's any reasonable doubt that Wallace offed his old lady then justice was served.
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Okay, interesting theory. But isn't it undermined by Lily Hall's evidence? Moreover, in respect of the bar and the glove, even if "M" was trying to draw Parry further into the conspiracy, in order to guarantee his silence, surely it wouldn't have taken Parry several hours to detect the presence of the glove and iron bar in his vehicle.
You must attach whatever weight you think to Lily Hall's testimony, and Wallace's denial. The Trial Judge didn't seem to think it that relevant.

Remember, by his own and the Lloyds' statements, Parry didn't have much opportunity to do much about the bar (or collect his thoughts) until several hours later, after 11pm. I addressed your other point passim.

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Btw, fellow-sleuths, remember Goodman and others saying that there was a case that Parry was involved in, an alleged assault on a woman, but they never discovered the outcome?

Well, I found out what happened, only a couple of days ago, in of all places a 1936 Australian newspaper! [the Aussies at that time were big on UK news, and the free online database is excellent - I previously discovered my grandfather had another family Down Under via this source, and we reunited 85 years later as a result...]
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/212505469

Parry truly had the luck of the devil, didn't he?
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Btw, fellow-sleuths, remember Goodman and others saying that there was a case that Parry was involved in, an alleged assault on a woman, but they never discovered the outcome?

Well, I found out what happened, only a couple of days ago, in of all places a 1936 Australian newspaper! [the Aussies at that time were big on UK news, and the free online database is excellent - I previously discovered my grandfather had another family Down Under via this source, and we reunited 85 years later as a result...]
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/212505469

Parry truly had the luck of the devil, didn't he?
Thanks for this Rod, a great find. It appears that Parry had previously violently assaulted, and attempted abduct, a young woman. It makes you wonder what else he was capable of!
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Okay, interesting theory. But isn't it undermined by Lily Hall's evidence? Moreover, in respect of the bar and the glove, even if "M" was trying to draw Parry further into the conspiracy, in order to guarantee his silence, surely it wouldn't have taken Parry several hours to detect the presence of the glove and iron bar in his vehicle.
Hi John, Parry Alone and Parry Conspiracy theories are both undermined by Lily Halls' testimony, if we accept it as true. Why would Wallace lie about talking to a man if Parry alone had killed his wife?

The only to reconcile Hall and Parkes is via a theory like Gannon's in which Wallace is working with Parry. But then Wallace shops Parry almost immediately. Gannon, in my opinion, has a weak answer to this point in his book. Further, could Wallace really coerce Parry (and Marsden) into murder? There is no evidence at all for this - Gannon lapses into wild sexual speculation to explain this.

Rod's conspiracy theory is stronger here. It assumes that it was a carefully planned robbery that went wrong. Could Parry convince a friend, perhaps hard up and criminally minded, into sharing the spoils of (what was expected to be an easy) 100 during an economic depression? There is no evidence on this point either, but I know which I find more plausible between the two.

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Thanks for this Rod, a great find. It appears that Parry had previously violently assaulted, and attempted abduct, a young woman. It makes you wonder what else he was capable of!
Except he was found "not guilty", despite seeming strong evidence.

Liverpool juries, eh? A contrary lot!

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Except he was found "not guilty", despite seeming strong evidence.

Liverpool juries, eh? A contrary lot!
Rod, do you think it would be possible to track down any photos of Parry in later life, after the mug shot one where he is about 25?

They must exist somewhere, always curioua what Goodman saw when he met him in the 60s on his doorstep.
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Rod, do you think it would be possible to track down any photos of Parry in later life, after the mug shot one where he is about 25?

They must exist somewhere, always curioua what Goodman saw when he met him in the 60s on his doorstep.
Absent his immediate family offering them up, I doubt it. His daughter may still be alive, aged 79, although he moved out of her life in the 1940s, and remarried.

To be fair to Parry, he did seem to "settle-down" somewhat, once he married Miriam Traverse in 1937.
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Absent his immediate family offering them up, I doubt it. His daughter may still be alive, aged 79, although he moved out of her life in the 1940s, and remarried.

To be fair to Parry, he did seem to "settle-down" somewhat, once he married Miriam Traverse in 1937.
I know who his daughter is on FB but I think best to leave her in peace, not the 1st daughter, but the 2nd one from his 2nd wife , she is around 70 now.

What would the penalty have been if your scenario is correct for Parry?
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I know who his daughter is on FB but I think best to leave her in peace, not the 1st daughter, but the 2nd one from his 2nd wife , she is around 70 now.

What would the penalty have been if your scenario is correct for Parry?
Penalty, as in joint enterprise?
I don't know although, at first glance, it seems he would be eligible for death.
Derek Bentley was hanged in 1953, despite being in police custody at the time of the alleged murder, although he was belatedly exonerated on the grounds he did not receive a fair trial.
The "joint enterprise" liability has been revised somewhat in the UK in the past decade.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30817269

I think the problem the Police had in 1931 was they didn't have the name of the actual killer. My theory must surely have passed some copper's mind, but "how the hell do we begin to prove it, absent Parry's confession and naming M?"

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