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Old 11-03-2015, 02:26 AM
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Shall we try to make our short definition of the three?

My suggestion:

Victimology:

Poor women often addicted to alcohol selling their bodies cheaply and/or vagabonding in Whitechapel or the City

MO (modus operandi):

Execution in places with a high risk of fast discovery

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Honour based mutilations and posing

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Old 11-03-2015, 06:04 AM
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honour based?in what sense,Pierre?
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honour based?in what sense,Pierre?
You know. The old nose-cutting, ears-cutting, cutting of genitals. With the purpose of degrading the victims. That sort of thing. Was beeing done already back in the middle ages.

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Shall we try to make our short definition of the three?

My suggestion:

Victimology:

Poor women often addicted to alcohol selling their bodies cheaply and/or vagabonding in Whitechapel or the City
I think you are being too specific.
He chose these targets because they could offer least resistance (women in poor conditions) and their availability (early hours in the morning).

He switched to earlier killings, putting himself in danger, after Chapman because there were fewer women in the streets in early morning, they were scared.

After the double event, he had to wait a while to be able to perform his atrocities, and worked indoor.
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Old 11-03-2015, 06:16 PM
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Hello Pierre,

>>Victimology:
Poor women often addicted to alcohol selling their bodies cheaply and/or vagabonding in Whitechapel or the City<<

Mrs Nichols might be classed as addicted to alcohol.
If the stories about Mrs Chapman's "ginny" liver are true is might have been an acohiolic.
Mrs Stride wasn't an alcoholic.
Kathrine Eddowes enjoyed a drink, but I've never heard her described as addicted.
Ditto Mary Kelly.

The the vast majority of Victorian East Enders led some kind of transient life style, "vagabonding" is a very vague definition to isolate the victims by.

>>MO (modus operandi):
Execution in places with a high risk of fast discovery<<

I'm not sure how you are defining "fast" in this context, but otherwise, I agree.

>>Signature:
Honour based mutilations and posing<<

I don't believe Mrs Nichols could be described as posed or, by your definition, "honour based mutilated".

Mrs Chapman didn't have facial mutilations
Mrs Stride was not mutilated in any way and it is highly debatable that she was posed.
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Old 11-03-2015, 11:33 PM
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Victimology
Women, extremely poor, living in doss houses and one room accommodation, in need of money.

M.O.
Swift blitz attacks, in the early morning hours in locales which were risky, and at weeks end and public holidays.

Signature.
Overpowered, smothered, throat slashed in all. There was posing except in the case of Liz Stride. I don't know what you mean by 'honour-based mutilations'. The killer certainly mutilated the abdomens of his victims except in Stride's case, and there were facial mutilations in his last two victims but we don't know his motivations for so doing.
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Old 11-03-2015, 11:54 PM
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Hello Dusty. yes, Yes, YES!!

Sometimes I am near despair listening to rot about posing and victimology.

What nonsense!

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Hello Dusty. yes, Yes, YES!!

Sometimes I am near despair listening to rot about posing and victimology.

What nonsense!

Cheers.
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Hello Lynn

For once we are in complete agreement!

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The only posing is done by those who think the victims were posed.

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Old 11-04-2015, 09:13 AM
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My 2 cents:
Victimology
Easy targets, i.e. any woman who offered herself to him when he was looking for a victim.

M.O.
Blitz attacks that rendered his victims senseless or unconscious, cutting the throat in such a way that he wouldn’t get much blood on him and getting them on their backs to facilitate the abdominal mutilations.

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Mutilation of female parts of the body with a knife.

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