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Old 08-07-2008, 12:39 PM
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"The Gustloff was a shocking thing, although..."

There is no "although". One always could add that: Wrong speed in iceberg waters etc etc.

9000 victims. Nine thousand.


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What a wonderful idea for a thread! I love anything to do with the Titanic. I guess that sounds aweful considering it's such a tragedy but like my interest with Jack the Ripper, it's one of those things that eats away at my mind and I just have to get my hands on anything related.

Thanks to the other posters for bringing up all the other ships...I recognized some of them. Another ship wreck that I didn't see posted was the Andrea Doria (not sure if I got the spelling right).

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Hi Esther, Welcome to the Casebook. We know what you mean about loving anything to do with the Titanic! Enjoy you time here. Looking forward to chatting with you.

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UHHH... hold on a minute. Weren't you MaryKelly yesterday? Now, I am confused.
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Hi Cel,

Sorry, I asked to get my profile name changed but yes for a short period of time I was MK...well in name only of course. Sorry for the confussion.

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Hi all,

My favorite story about the loss of Waratah is that one of the passengers who was on board kept having a dream where he saw a horrible, colossus like figure with a bloodstained sword arise from the sea,and yell the name "Waratah". This gentleman discovered he could stand it no longer, and when the ship docked at Durban (I think it was Durban), he left the ship with his luggage and took a train to Cape Town and took another ship to England.
So this man was one of the few passengers who survived that last voyage.

[Mike, take note.]

If you mention the loss of the "Wilhelm Gustloff" you have to mention two other German refugee ships and another bombed ocean liner that altogether cost roughly 33,000 lives. The other refugee ships from Eastern Europe headed for Germany were the "Goya" (loss of 3,000) and "General Steuben"
(loss of about 8,000). THe bombed ocean liner was the "Cap Arcona" which was holding nearly 11 - 14, 000 Jews in its cramped hold when the port (Bremen?, I'm not sure) was bombed by the Allies. The ship capsized killing many on board. But what was worse was that Jews who managed to get to swim from the wreck were machined gunned by the Nazis when they got to land. Ironically, when the Nazi film TITANIC was made by UFA in 1943, scenes supposedly on the "Titanic" were shot on the "Cap Arcona".

Speaking of the Baltic let us not forget (only over a decade ago) the "Estonia", sunk in a crazy storm ... although there is some controversy about whether it may have also hit a mine. In that shipwreck 900 lives were lost.

And there is also that magnificent refloated maritime museum, the "Vasa", which sank in Stockholm harbor in 1628, on its maiden voyage ("Titanic" actually got further). Now it is admired in a dry dock museum for its ornate
carvings and designs. Similarly Britain has the "Mary Rose" also retrieved from grave at sea - although not as totally as the "Vasa".

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Old 08-08-2008, 03:17 AM
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Almost forgotten postscript.

Col. Gracie actually left two valuable books. Besides his account of the "Titanic", he wrote a still useful account of the last major Confederate battle victory in the American Civil War - THE TRUTH ABOUT CHICKAMAUGA.

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If I recall, the Vasa sank due to an unequal distribution of weight and a top-heavy design, right? The ship rolled, and the open gunports let the water rush in and the ship just tipped right over and sank.
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Hi Cel,

Sorry, I asked to get my profile name changed but yes for a short period of time I was MK...well in name only of course. Sorry for the confussion.

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Got it! I was thinking it was kind of ballsy of you to use MK's name and then suddenly it was gone! Actually I thought of doing that when I first registered but then, out of superstition, changed my mind.

Take care,

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Almost forgotten postscript.

Col. Gracie actually left two valuable books. Besides his account of the "Titanic", he wrote a still useful account of the last major Confederate battle victory in the American Civil War - THE TRUTH ABOUT CHICKAMAUGA.

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Hi Jeff, I was at Chickamauga a couple of weeks ago. We went up to the Nat'l Cemetary to my parent's grave and stopped back by there. I have never seen so many monuments. It's actually divided into two sites, one up on the ridges and the other down on the lower ground. We weren't able to tour it the way I would have wanted due to time constraints. I'll look into this book and find out what the truth is.

Best to you, Jeff.
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Hi Celesta,

I suspect that the aspects of the battle that Gracie concentrated on were the following:

1) Who was responsible for the victory over the Federal troops under William Rosecrans (the actual commander of the Confederate army, Lt. General Braxton Bragg, or the "borrowed" commander of the troops from the forces of General Robert E. Lee, Lt. General James Longstreet?

2) Who was really responsible for the fatal error that hurt the Federal defense perameter, Rosecrans of hs closest advisor, Major General James Garfield? As Garfield was the martyred 2nd Assassinated President (see Dr. Tumblety and his possible connection to Charles Guiteau), Gracie was involved in a delicate problem in discussng this matter.

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