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Old 08-18-2017, 04:54 PM
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i was wrong sam. i must have been thinking of some victim other than kate where the navel was avoided. i looked into joshua's question, and his suggestion is closer than mine. in a report from chief inspector swanson to the home office on oct 19th, he does write about the missing navel.
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At the time of her death Annie Chapman wasn't at all "rotund." In fact, the reverse was true. Wynne Baxter remarked at the inquest:

"She showed signs of great deprivation, as if she'd been badly fed."

I think, however, it could be argued that JtR targeted the vulnerable. For instance, Nichols had been drinking, Chapman had been ill and was emaciated...
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Wondered if she was suffering Edema.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edema
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At the time of her death Annie Chapman wasn't at all "rotund." In fact, the reverse was true. Wynne Baxter remarked at the inquest:

"She showed signs of great deprivation, as if she'd been badly fed."

I think, however, it could be argued that JtR targeted the vulnerable. For instance, Nichols had been drinking, Chapman had been ill and was emaciated...
Dr Phillips describing Chapman;

"Although the deceased was fatty there were signs of great deprivation"
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Old 08-22-2017, 01:19 PM
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Dr Phillips describing Chapman;

"Although the deceased was fatty there were signs of great deprivation"
Well that doesn't even make any sense; it's contradictory. And not according to The Times, which I quoted above. Source please.

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Sorry John, it's from the Daily News, 14th Sept.
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Dr Phillips describing Chapman;

"Although the deceased was fatty there were signs of great deprivation"
Being "fatty" doesn't mean that she was "a fatty", so what Phillips said needn't have been contradictory. There's a body type now referred to as TOFI (Thin Outside, Fat Inside) where large amounts of fat are hidden from view by being deposited in the internal organs, esp. the liver, rather than on the belly and hips.
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Being "fatty" doesn't mean that she was "a fatty", so what Phillips said needn't have been contradictory. There's a body type now referred to as TOFI (Thin Outside, Fat Inside) where large amounts of fat are hidden from view by being deposited in the internal organs, esp. the liver, rather than on the belly and hips.
Yes, Alan Partridge had a fat back, but you wouldn`t think it, looking at him.
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Being "fatty" doesn't mean that she was "a fatty", so what Phillips said needn't have been contradictory. There's a body type now referred to as TOFI (Thin Outside, Fat Inside) where large amounts of fat are hidden from view by being deposited in the internal organs, esp. the liver, rather than on the belly and hips.
Ah, yes. "Skinny Fat". That's how I know it. I first heard the term at weigh-in for a weightlifting meet in Las Vegas, in 2003. A guy stripped to his undies to get on the scale and another guy said, "You're skinny-fat. How long have you been training?" Understandably, we had to pull the skinny-fat guy off of Mr. smart ass. Then skinny-fat proceeded to win the bronze (barely missing the silver medal to some guy who's really interested in Jack the Ripper) while Mr. smart ass bombed out in the snatch (google it - it's not a pornographic). Good times.
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I doubt there were too many fat people in such an impoverished area as that. And certainly not the standard of "fat" we have today.
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