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Old 09-16-2017, 12:47 PM
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There is no real logic for the killer to cut, or tear, a piece and then discard it some time after that distance from the crime scene all the time carrying with him incriminating evidence. He could have discarded it anywhere in less time it took to get to GS, in the gutter,over a wall.

To wipe his hands or knife again if that had been the case either of those actions could have been carried out within a few yards of Mitre Square.
Trevor,

there are pieces of evidence left by the killer in the whole case. The GSG and the apron are not even the most clear pieces of evidence, although they are very clear.

And there are even better pieces of evidence. The small pieces of evidence were left on purpose. Understanding the pieces left in the past is the only way to solve the case.

So there is no "real logic" but the logic of the killer.

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The apron would have been under her coat.Agreed. He didn't want it... he needed it, after getting cack on his hand(s) or sustaining a cut, depending on which explanation you favour. (I'm with the cacky hands explanation.)
In which case, a piece of apron cut after the mutilation would suffice just as well as one cut before he mutilated her.
No Sam, he saved the piece of apron to use it as evidence for the GSG. To show the police that he was there. And the GSG was misunderstood.

And it still is.
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what,s puzzling is she had several rags or handkerchiefs on her person that he could have used if he needed to clean up on the spot.
And so it is obvious to you that he did not use it for that.
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Old 09-16-2017, 01:15 PM
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Pierre

I have no idea why the piece of apron was taken to Goulston st.
However I am happy to accept that Eddowes was wearing an apron while in custody, and that the piece found in Goulston st matched the piece left with the body.
Trevor argues against but I am unconvinced by his arguments because there little to support his view to me.

However I still can see nothing to definitive connect the Apron to the GSG.
I know you believe you have sources to support all of this, so I will wait for your report.
Hopefully it may be out before I finish my proposed work on Mitre square in 2019 I suspect.


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Pierre

I have no idea why the piece of apron was taken to Goulston st.
However I am happy to accept that Eddowes was wearing an apron while in custody, and that the piece found in Goulston st matched the piece left with the body.
Trevor argues against but I am unconvinced by his arguments because there little to support his view to me.

However I still can see nothing to definitive connect the Apron to the GSG.
I know you believe you have sources to support all of this, so I will wait for your report.
Hopefully it may be out before I finish my proposed work on Mitre square in 2019 I suspect.

Steve
OK Steve.
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Old 09-16-2017, 02:13 PM
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Trevor,

there are pieces of evidence left by the killer in the whole case. The GSG and the apron are not even the most clear pieces of evidence, although they are very clear.

And there are even better pieces of evidence. The small pieces of evidence were left on purpose. Understanding the pieces left in the past is the only way to solve the case.

So there is no "real logic" but the logic of the killer.

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Pierre,

Sorry but I can't resist saying this:

What are your sources for the above assertions?
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Old 09-16-2017, 02:35 PM
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Herlock,

We now have to wait for the book.
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No Sam, he saved the piece of apron to use it as evidence for the GSG. To show the police that he was there.
"The intestines were smeared over with feculent matter"

I read that as a significant pointer to the possibility that the killer needed to get the cack off his hands, and that this - and only this - was the reason for his cutting off a piece of cloth from the body. If he'd wanted to tie the GSG to the murder, why didn't he simply take one of her shoes and leave that in the doorway under the graffiti? Much easier to remove a shoe than to cut a sheet of fabric.
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"The intestines were smeared over with feculent matter"

I read that as a significant pointer to the possibility that the killer needed to get the cack off his hands, and that this - and only this - was the reason for his cutting off a piece of cloth from the body. If he'd wanted to tie the GSG to the murder, why didn't he simply take one of her shoes and leave that in the doorway under the graffiti? Much easier to remove a shoe than to cut a sheet of fabric.
Not sure a shoe would do it. No-one would take notice of a lost shoe - at least they would not think it was related to a crime. A blood soaked rag on the other hand looks suspicious.
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Herlock,

We now have to wait for the book.
Hi DJA,

After 30 years I'm starting to think that I don't have the necessary patience for ripperology
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