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The bad news is that neither of them pinpoint the source of the cry as Room 13. The best you can get is the statement in Lewis' deposition (which appears to be a summary of her evidence rather than her own words) that the cry seemed to come "from the direction" of Room 13. That, as you will appreciate, is different from saying that it came from Room 13.
The key word in my previous post was triangulation. Prater, at the front of 26 Dorset Street, hears the cry coming from "the back of the lodging-house", and Lewis, just inside Miller's Court itself a few paces away from Kelly's room, hears it coming "from the direction" of Room 13. Taking the words and locations of both Lewis and Prater into account, we're either talking about the entrance to Kelly's room, the little "courtyard" outside Kelly's room, or Kelly's room itself. That puts the origin of the cry - if indeed there was a cry at all - pretty much centred around Kelly's room.
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The key word in my previous post was triangulation.
Yes I know and you can't triangulate the location of a sound from the recollection of two people who basically say it come from somewhere close by.
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What she said was "I frequently hear such cries from the back of the lodging house".
Why would she have added that detail, if she had not heard the cry coming from the back of the lodging-house on this occasion? If this wasn't the case, we'd have to imagine her meaning "I heard a cry in Dorset Street, but I frequently hear them coming from the back of the lodging-house where the windows look into Miller's Court"... which strikes me as a non-sequitur, if not outright absurd. Besides, Sarah Lewis' evidence clearly indicates that the source lay in the direction of Kelly's room.

It might have been some other floozie larking about in the "quad" between Lewis' and Kelly's room for all we know, it might have been imagined by Prater/Lewis, it might even have been Kelly's death-cry, but - whatever it was - it wasn't "any old noise in any old place", no matter how much one might like to dismiss it as such.
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Yes I know and you can't triangulate the location of a sound from the recollection of two people who basically say it come from somewhere close by.
I really can't be bothered discussing this further with you. You're impossible.
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The key word in my previous post was triangulation. Prater, at the front of 26 Dorset Street, hears the cry coming from "the back of the lodging-house", and Lewis, just inside Miller's Court itself a few paces away from Kelly's room, hears it coming "from the direction" of Room 13. Taking the words and locations of both Lewis and Prater into account, we're either talking about the entrance to Kelly's room, the little "courtyard" outside Kelly's room, or Kelly's room itself. That puts the origin of the cry - if indeed there was a cry at all - pretty much centred around Kelly's room.
Triangulation is a methodological approach, meaning that you use different methods to answer a research question. You use the same approach here and it is not a method, it is just "taking into account".

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