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Old 10-08-2016, 08:38 AM
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Default The Tell-Tale Blade - Thoughts on the Knives Used on Martha Tabram

Hello everybody,

I've reached a careful conclusion (o-oh) about what happened to Martha Tabram, meaning how it happened.
The write-down of this resulted in 4 pages, so I'm rather attaching it.

In a nutshell, I'm arguing, that while the use of 2 blades is frequently seen as one argument against the murderer of Tabram as having been the same perpetrator who later murdered Nichols, Chapman, Eddowes and Kelly, it is in fact the very presence of the larger of the blades, which was used to stab her in the heart, that, because it was brought along with the smaller one, may very well imply not only clear premeditation but also that we might be dealing with the same man.

I'd be very grateful for thoughts and/or rebuttals.

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Old 10-08-2016, 08:59 AM
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Thank you, Sepiae, very interesting.

According to your theory, the killer changed from stabbing the heart to strangulation/cut throat.

I would suggest he might have done this because of the difficulty in stabbing a standing, conscious individual directly in the heart.

The later victims were not likely to lie down, so I think he would have realized this difficulty.
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Old 10-08-2016, 09:17 AM
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Thank you, Sepiae, very interesting.

According to your theory, the killer changed from stabbing the heart to strangulation/cut throat.

I would suggest he might have done this because of the difficulty in stabbing a standing, conscious individual directly in the heart.

The later victims were not likely to lie down, so I think he would have realized this difficulty.

Hi Kattrup,

wow, you're quick. Thank you

Yes, that's indeed a thought I also had. Him bringing the large blade for the specific purpose of stabbing the heart, the need to drive it through bone still presenting a challenge, and effort.
I have no troubles at all imagining him seeing another knife later that, perhaps first on the more instinctive level, actually incites the idea of throat-cutting in him.

I have a similar idea like yours also in regards of the perp having not strangled Catherine Eddowes:
strangling costs more effort and time than the movies will have us believe;
it also involves the victim fighting back, e.g. kicking you in the groin.
it's energy- and time-consuming, it's an inconvenience on the way to what is the real priority.
hence he might be trying without the strangling (alternatively something just went wrong)
- and it is a sufficient explanation for the difference in the cuts to Kate's throat, compared with Polly and Annie.

With Tabram it's the very presence of that large blade in the 1st place that intrigues.
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Old 10-08-2016, 09:21 AM
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... although I believe that the victim out on the ground is the most convenient with either method.
It's been theorized that he might have tripped his victims. And with Nichols and Chapman it was strangulation.
Which is in the end my point:
- incapacitating the victim (strangulation & throat-cutting / stab to the heart)
- followed by what he wanted to do to the body, i.e. multiple stabs evolving into mutilation and organ extraction
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Old 10-08-2016, 09:43 AM
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I agree sepiae. It all points to the same man. Plus I wouldn't have thought it that unusual for a serial killer to carry more than one knife.

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Old 10-08-2016, 10:18 AM
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I agree sepiae. It all points to the same man. Plus I wouldn't have thought it that unusual for a serial killer to carry more than one knife.

Cheers John
Hi John,

well, I wouldn't know about how unusual it'd be, especially for this perpetrator - in the end it's that large one that I initially did find unusual. Or rather the result:

39 stabs
38 of them delivered all over the body
only 1 delivered to the heart, and with quite some precision

does really not look like randomness

but that doesn't contradict you, of course
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