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Old 01-14-2018, 08:19 AM
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Check out this great dignified riposte to Trump's "shithole countries" rant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjIsrpAg3JE
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Is there anyone at all who believes that Haiti, the Banana Republics, or central Africa are great places to live? When you're asked for an example of a nation whose culture you admire and accomplishments you respect, does El Salvador spring right to mind? Can you realistically imagine, even for a moment, someone born in America, Canada, or the UK wishing that they'd had the great good fortune to be born Haitian instead?

The real problem here is that Trump is failing to dress unpleasant truths in the socially-required language of equivocation and blame-deflection. That's pretty much an unforgivable sin these days.
With respect, Trump is also failing to address some 'unpleasant truths' closer to home, namely shocking poverty, appalling healthcare for many and woeful educational attainment - and all this in a wealthy country.

I am sorry if this upsets some of you, but, avoiding the use of 'socially-required language, Trump is a vile and deranged nutjob.

Honestly, I never imagined the world would slump to its current state and the bright, golden dawn I prayed for and campaigned for would turn so dark and menacing and hopeless.
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Honestly, I never imagined the world would slump to its current state and the bright, golden dawn I prayed for and campaigned for would turn so dark and menacing and hopeless.
I mean really, get a grip of yourself...Trump is a thin-skinned businessman with a huge ego who became president of the United States by accident. Turning someone who is at most a bawbag into the devil incarnate will only make his re-election even more certain.
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With respect, Trump is also failing to address some 'unpleasant truths' closer to home, namely shocking poverty, appalling healthcare for many and woeful educational attainment - and all this in a wealthy country.

I am sorry if this upsets some of you, but, avoiding the use of 'socially-required language, Trump is a vile and deranged nutjob.

Honestly, I never imagined the world would slump to its current state and the bright, golden dawn I prayed for and campaigned for would turn so dark and menacing and hopeless.
The same must then apply to every other person failing to address poverty, healthcare and education. Must it not.

Let alone all those who voted for him.
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The same must then apply to every other person failing to address poverty, healthcare and education. Must it not.

Let alone all those who voted for him.
Yes, of course it applies to all - but especially wealthy countries such as the USA and the UK. Trump is just one issue in a long line of disgraceful episodes that have resulted in suffering and decline of which I never expected to see.
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Check out this great dignified riposte to Trump's "shithole countries" rant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjIsrpAg3JE
Yes what a fine response from CNN's Anderson Cooper which as you say is worth watching.

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Except for the wording used,what is wrong with Trump's observations?
Had he included Jamaica,he might have struck a chord with many in UK.
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Except for the wording used,what is wrong with Trump's observations?
Had he included Jamaica,he might have struck a chord with many in UK.
Harry, had he merely observed (as his later tweet said he did) that Haiti was "poor and troubled," I wouldn't have had a problem with it. That is only the truth.

But suggesting that Haitians should be removed from the list of immigrants with temporary protected status because the USA doesn't want them (as well as suggesting we get more Norwegians), throws a distinctly rašist cast on his words.

Everyone who came to America voluntarily in our history did so because they sought better conditions than in their homelands, whether religious freedom, relief from famine, escape from political harassment and war, safety from natural disasters. Most immigrants faced a period of prejudice and disdain (even white ones, ask any Irish-American), yet most also managed to make contributions to our history.

To say now that our place as the country where a "better life" can only be held out to white Europeans is a denial of our history and our ideals. And yes, I realize those ideals in reality were less than perfect in history, but we have striven to rise above them and to make amends for our mistakes, and we should not go backwards now.
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