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Where did you get these details from, Fish? I'm pretty sure both Jackson's hands were still attached to her arms, according to ASoLM. Likewise, the legs were both separated at the knee - are you saying one leg wasn't separated at all, or in more than one place?
Perhaps Christer got his incorrect info about the legs from Trow again! Trow includes a diagram in his book showing one leg separated at the thigh only and one at the hip and thigh joint.
As you correctly say, both legs were separated at the hip joint and the knee joint. The knee joints were separated slightly differently on the legs in that the patella was left attached to the left thigh.
The hands were definitely attached to the arms.
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Where did you get these details from, Fish? I'm pretty sure both Jackson's hands were still attached to her arms, according to ASoLM. Likewise, the legs were both separated at the knee - are you saying one leg wasn't separated at all, or in more than one place?
Trow. I didnt think he could have made even more mistakes.

Are you saying he could?

I need to trow that book away.
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Trevor Marriott: I am applying a common sense approach based on what facts and evidence is available.

I really cannot agree with that, Trevor.

As to the Green River Killer all the bodies fished out of the river were proved to have been murdered. Something you cannot prove with this theory of yours, that all the torsos were murdered, and no matter how you huff and puff until you can prove that your theory is flawed.

Nope, Trevor, a theory is not flawed because it is not proven. It is only flawed when elements in it are proven wrong.
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Perhaps Christer got his incorrect info about the legs from Trow again! Trow includes a diagram in his book showing one leg separated at the thigh only and one at the hip and thigh joint.
As you correctly say, both legs were separated at the hip joint and the knee joint. The knee joints were separated slightly differently on the legs in that the patella was left attached to the left thigh.
The hands were definitely attached to the arms.
That book needs a death skull marking. I remember that only a few weeks back, John G said that it was a really good book, and I told him it wasnt.
And here I am, having relied upon it myself. More fool me.

Anyways, Gareths argument that the arms still being attached to the torso in the Pinchin Street case would somehow tell it apart from the other torsos is not very viable. In the end, much as there are very great likenesses inbetween Jackson and the Rainham torso, there are variations inbetween them all.
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That book needs a death skull marking. I remember that only a few weeks back, John G said that it was a really good book, and I told him it wasnt.
And here I am, having relied upon it myself. More fool me.

Anyways, Gareths argument that the arms still being attached to the torso in the Pinchin Street case would somehow tell it apart from the other torsos is not very viable. In the end, much as there are very great likenesses inbetween Jackson and the Rainham torso, there are variations inbetween them all.
yes fish-you need to throw Trows book away. he sucks. sorry if that's harsh but its basically true.

I saw a docu with/by him once-I believe on Mann as the ripper. Not only worse "documentary" on the ripper Ive ever seen, but probably the worse anything ive ever seen proporting to be non fiction.

ditch him and cut your losses.
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yes fish-you need to throw Trows book away. he sucks. sorry if that's harsh but its basically true.

I saw a docu with/by him once-I believe on Mann as the ripper. Not only worse "documentary" on the ripper Ive ever seen, but probably the worse anything ive ever seen proporting to be non fiction.

ditch him and cut your losses.
A sound enough piece of advice, Id say.

Basically, I blame Debra for not having written THE book.
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A sound enough piece of advice, Id say.

Basically, I blame Debra for not having written THE book.
LOL! Me too

cmon Debs-the world needs you! : )
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A sound enough piece of advice, Id say.

Basically, I blame Debra for not having written THE book.
I don't go as far Blaming Debra, but wish she would write THE book.

In the meantime the book I suggested the other is far better than Trow, but that's because there's no comments, just transcripts.


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I don't go as far Blaming Debra, but wish she would write THE book.

In the meantime the book I suggested the other is far better than Trow, but that's because there's no comments, just transcripts.


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Yes, it seems the moment Trow comments, he gets it wrong. Its mindboggling. He very obviously has read Hebbert, but he equally obviously has not understood him.

And I stand by my blaming Debra - who else is to blame for her not having written that book?
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Yes, it seems the moment Trow comments, he gets it wrong. Its mindboggling. He very obviously has read Hebbert, but he equally obviously has not understood him.
If he'd read Hebbert's words on the torsos, the following line may have led to his misunderstanding;

"The joints in each case, with the exception of the left knee, were exactly opened, and the limbs neatly disarticulated."

In isolation, this could be read as saying that the left knee was not opened, but the context and the rest of the article makes clear it was opened, but evidently less neatly.

No idea about the hands though.
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