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With respect, Wickerman, your scenario just doesn't ring true to me. I can't see the soldier's mate volunteering to go back and finish off the victim. Much likelier he would advise him to get the hell outta there before any witnesses or coppers caught them instead of going back and increasing the risk tenfold. Also, after the initial frenzy would the attacker have necessarily known that Tabram wasn't dead?
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With respect, Wickerman, your scenario just doesn't ring true to me. I can't see the soldier's mate volunteering to go back and finish off the victim. Much likelier he would advise him to get the hell outta there before any witnesses or coppers caught them instead of going back and increasing the risk tenfold. Also, after the initial frenzy would the attacker have necessarily known that Tabram wasn't dead?
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After some thought I have to agree with this. While possible I guess. it seems to me most likely scenario, if two knives were actually used, is that the killer had two knives with him and the smaller knife was used first with larger one used last to finish her off.
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With respect, Wickerman, your scenario just doesn't ring true to me. I can't see the soldier's mate volunteering to go back and finish off the victim. Much likelier he would advise him to get the hell outta there before any witnesses or coppers caught them instead of going back and increasing the risk tenfold. Also, after the initial frenzy would the attacker have necessarily known that Tabram wasn't dead?
Being contrary as a lifestyle choice gives you that position by default. The fact is that soldiers carried the larger weapons that are indicated here due to the Bank Holiday, that soldiers were seen and heard of travelling in pairs that night, and had the large weapon not have been used, Martha could have survived that attack...only to finger her assailant later when recovered.

Soldiers have bonds that the rest of us cannot comprehend, mostly because as civilians we are not protecting each other all day long, and the scenario where a second soldier comes looking for his mate off with a street whore and finds him over a barely breathing woman and in an agitated maybe frightened state over what he has done could easily be moved to finish the job as a mercy kill and protect his friend in the same stroke. I'm not saying that's what Jon intends to put forward, just that the suggestion is very viable when you consider the bonds and the situation.

Whether it personally rings true to you is a matter for you to resolve, not Jon.
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