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Old 11-29-2008, 07:37 AM
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Default Joseph Fleming's Landlady

Ellen Copping - Fleming's landlady in 1881

1861:
4 and a half, Upper Brunswick Street, Hackney
Head: John Davies aged 39 born Bermondsey - Mat maker
Wife: Mary Ann Davies aged 38 born Blackfriars
Children:
John aged 19 born Hackney - Hawker
Ellen aged 17 born Bethnal Green - Mat maker
Mary Ann aged 15 born Bethnal Green - Spinner
George aged 13 born Hackney - Mat maker
Alice aged 11 born Hackney
William aged 11 born Hackney
Selina aged 3 born Hackney
Visitor: Elizabeth Davies aged 29 born Bethnal Green - Mat maker

Marriage:
1866 Hackney
John Copping married Ellen Davies

1871:
9 Camomile Terrace, Hackney
Head: John Copping aged 26 born Bedenhall, Norfolk - Carman
Wife: Ellen Copping aged 26 born Victoria Park
Daughter: Emily aged 3 born Hackney

John Copping died in 1876 in Hackney aged 31

1881:
61 Crozier Terrace, Hackney
Head: Ellen Copping (Widow) aged 35 born Hackney - Laundress
Daughters:
Emily aged 13 born Hackney
Ann aged 2 born Homerton
Lodgers:
Joseph Flemming aged 22 born Bethnal Green - Plasterer
John Percy aged 27 born Bethnal Green - Rope maker

1891:
61 Crozier Terrace, Hackney
Ellen Coppin (sic) (Widow) aged 46 born Bethnal Green - Charwoman
Children:
Emily aged 23 born Hackney - Charwoman (Deaf from birth)
Annie aged 11 born Homerton
Grandson:
Harry aged 3 born Homerton


1901:
61 Crozier Terrace, Hackney
Head: Ellen Copping aged 57 born Bethnal Green - Laundress
Daughter: Emily Copping aged 33 born Hackney - Laundress
Grandson - Harry Copping aged 13 born Hackney
Boarder: Henry Langland aged 38 born Hackney - Hide dresser

Ellen Copping died in Hackney in 1918 aged 74
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The birth of the grandson of Ellen Copping, Harry, was registered as follows:
1888 Quarter 1
Hackney
Henry Copping

As John and Emily Copping were only listed as having two daughters, the only logical candidate to be the child's mother is the unmarried Emily Copping. At the time of the child's birth she would have been about 20 years old.
There is, of course, no way of knowing how long Fleming lived with the Copping family, but if were still with them in early 1887 (the date of the child's conception) then the identity of the child's father beomes intriguing...
Pure speculation, needless to say!
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Note also: Ann/Annie was born c.1879, but John died in 1876!
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