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It's possible, I suppose, but Charlotte was recorded as 'Buckingham or Eddows' and as you say she was a smaller woman with a scar on her right cheek (I hope!) and something else on her left arm. (Is that a T for tattoo or an S for scar?). Presumably the previous convictions info came via the court.

I did wonder whether the Conway/Eddowes confusion might have lead to Kate's tally being understated in '78.

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The 1876 conviction for Charlotte looked like it described a 'scar on right cherry'!
It also said she had a 'letter S' on her left arm. I imagine that the 'letter' would be a tattoo similar to Catherine's 'TC'
Charlotte had 3 previous conviction in 76 but doesn't seem to have any recorded in 78 so maybe they just weren't that reliable at recording everything previous accurately?
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The 1876 conviction for Charlotte looked like it described a 'scar on right cherry'!
It also said she had a 'letter S' on her left arm. I imagine that the 'letter' would be a tattoo similar to Catherine's 'TC'
Charlotte had 3 previous conviction in 76 but doesn't seem to have any recorded in 78 so maybe they just weren't that reliable at recording everything previous accurately?
Yes, it definitely says 'cherry' - strange!

As I mentioned elsewhere, Thomas Fogarty's previous is inconsistently recorded in the Wandsworth registers. 12 in 1897, then 6 in April, 1899. He's back again in July, 1899, a mere week after being released, and no previous is recorded. You'd think they might have remembered him - just how many vicious blind beggars did they lock up each week?
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It's always cheek except for the cherry entry, so that must be cheek too - unless she was attacked by the Phantom Raspberry Blower.
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It's always cheek except for the cherry entry, so that must be cheek too - unless she was attacked by the Phantom Raspberry Blower.
Her complexion was described as 'ruddy', so it was a ruddy cheek.
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It's a shame that the only surviving photograph albums for Wandsworth prison are from 1872 and 73 otherwise there may have been a photograph of Catherine Eddowes in them.
I wonder if there's a tiny chance she may be if one of those two volumes if her one of her possible 13 previous convictions was in either of those two years and she was also imprisoned in Wandsworth at that time?

I've recently seen photograph albums from Oxford Goal in the 1870's and the quality of the photographs was amazing. Half the photographs were of children, which was quite sad to see.
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Just noticed that the 1872 and 73 Wandswoth photograph volumes are searchable by name on the National Archives website and there are no results for Eddowes
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Just noticed that the 1872 and 73 Wandswoth photograph volumes are searchable by name on the National Archives website and there are no results for Eddowes
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Did you try Conway? Would be nice to get a lucky photo!
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It's a shame that the only surviving photograph albums for Wandsworth prison are from 1872 and 73 otherwise there may have been a photograph of Catherine Eddowes in them.
I wonder if there's a tiny chance she may be if one of those two volumes if her one of her possible 13 previous convictions was in either of those two years and she was also imprisoned in Wandsworth at that time?

I've recently seen photograph albums from Oxford Goal in the 1870's and the quality of the photographs was amazing. Half the photographs were of children, which was quite sad to see.

It might be interesting just to flick through them to see if any of the names are familiar. While I was looking at the Nominal Registers the other day, the name John Satchell jumped out at me. He was the victim of an assault and the case was heard at Thames Police Court, so it was probably the JS we are familiar with.
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Did you try Conway? Would be nice to get a lucky photo!
I did, Jerry. Sadly nothing.
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It might be interesting just to flick through them to see if any of the names are familiar. While I was looking at the Nominal Registers the other day, the name John Satchell jumped out at me. He was the victim of an assault and the case was heard at Thames Police Court, so it was probably the JS we are familiar with.
I'm part way through, Gary, but nothing has jumped out at me yet.
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