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Old 02-13-2015, 11:55 AM
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1 killer for the canonical 5 is the minimum amount he murdered. Do to the escalating complexity of the murders, to ascribe more hands means you need more bodies for each murderer to account for the complexity. Those bodies simply are not there. The killer lies them down before slashing their necks. That alone is quite a unique MO for the time and place. Victomolgy is the same too.
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Old 02-13-2015, 12:22 PM
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I won't be hoodwinked into accepting a cut throat as a bona fide ripper vicim...

he was interrupted...says who?
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Old 02-13-2015, 02:59 PM
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Here's how I see it boys and girls...


Emma Smith – Gang of Four

Martha Tabram – 2 PTSD soldiers

Mary Nichols – Deranged Carman

Annie Chapman – Mad Jew

Catherine Eddowes – German Sailor

Liz Stride – Prussian Spy

MJK – Fenian syndicate

Torso – Dr. Frankenstein

Alice Mackenzie – Vlad the Impaler

Frances Coles – drunken foundry worker

Ellen Bury – suicide

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Good one.

One question though.....I thought MJK was killed by the landlord who sent Bowyer to collect her rent, who then sat back in his chair after Bowyer had left, and ate an apple whilst chuckling to himself.

Or did you mean the landlord by fenian syndicate? If so I apologise for my ignorance.

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Old 02-13-2015, 03:18 PM
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Frankenstein! Good one, Greg.

How I think of this is in terms of probability, odds.

What's the odds of there being two or more killers in the same time period and limited territory? Well, it happens all the time. And it happened in the East End. No question there. So this question isn't useful to my theory that there was one guy doing all these Ripper murders.

Next:

What's the odds that two or more killers will choose victims from the exact same victim pool in that small area? Okay, the victims were all in what is probably the number #2 worldwide, history-wide, most vulnerable victim pool, next to children. Not helpful.

What's the odds of there being two killers who kill their victims first, then mutilate them? Answer: significantly lower odds for this happening.

Next:

What the odds of two or more killers sharing the habit of leaving their victims posed with legs splayed, as well as killing then mutilating the victims? Ooh look, odds are dropping like a punter's drawers.

Next:

What the odds of two or more killers a/ posing victims with legs splayed, b/ killing, then mutilating, AND c/ removing organs from the scene?

I won't go on... but a few more "nexts" down the road, the odds just start becoming ridiculous.

ps -- I realise I likely skipped a few things

PS: I agree with you, Chris, regarding the cut throat. But do you seriously think anyone's trying to 'hoodwink' you? Here, have a grape.

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Here's how I see it boys and girls...


Emma Smith Gang of Four

Martha Tabram 2 PTSD soldiers

Mary Nichols Deranged Carman

Annie Chapman Mad Jew

Catherine Eddowes German Sailor

Liz Stride Prussian Spy

MJK Fenian syndicate

Torso Dr. Frankenstein

Alice Mackenzie Vlad the Impaler

Frances Coles drunken foundry worker

Ellen Bury suicide

All the rest Road Rage


Any questions?


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What are the odds of having two lunatics killing people in such a small area?
They did - the "Torso Murderer" and Jack. Of course you might like to say Jack was the "Torso Murderer" but then why was he killing on land while "Torso" used the Thames?

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I won't be hoodwinked into accepting a cut throat as a bona fide ripper vicim...

he was interrupted...says who?
That's not the claim.

The claim is he put them on their back (or they where on their back already) before murdering them.

Let's try not straw man the facts.
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. They also weren't all killed at the same precise stroke of the clock, yep....
The only time the victims are killed at the same precise stroke of a clock is in some contrived detective novel.

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Here's how I see it boys and girls...


Emma Smith Gang of Four

Martha Tabram 2 PTSD soldiers

Mary Nichols Deranged Carman

Annie Chapman Mad Jew

Catherine Eddowes German Sailor

Liz Stride Prussian Spy

MJK Fenian syndicate

Torso Dr. Frankenstein

Alice Mackenzie Vlad the Impaler

Frances Coles drunken foundry worker

Ellen Bury suicide

All the rest Road Rage


Any questions?


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Catherine Eddowes German Sailor

Liz Stride Prussian Spy

MJK Fenian syndicate

Ellen Bury suicide

Greg
I always secretly suspected Otto von Bismarck's fine hand in the double header event - obviously he had not forgiven Alexandra, the Princess of Wales, for trying to get Queen Victoria and Lord Palmerston to send military aid to Denmark in the Schleswig-Holstein War of 1863-64.

It probably would have taken a "Fenian syndicate" to go into Mary's digs on Dorset Street, and with military precision take her body apart.

If the last is true, somebody in the British Government (or at least the Scottish Department) owes William Bury a deep apology - - BIG TIME!!

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