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Old 09-26-2017, 02:03 PM
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There is ongoing here in the U.K a documentary series which attempts to see if there is a link between H H Holmes and J T R.

During a recent episode a box containing photos of Holmes and possibly his accomplice were discovered Ali g with some surgical Instruments.
Among the photos were some alleging to be his victims and some of females who were unknown.

All of the pictures were sent to face recognizing experts.

The experts reported back.

One thing they mentioned was that one of the photos of a unknown female had a 65% match to a known photo of Elizabeth Stride.

In the scientific world how significant or insignificant is a 65% match.
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There is ongoing here in the U.K a documentary series which attempts to see if there is a link between H H Holmes and J T R.

During a recent episode a box containing photos of Holmes and possibly his accomplice were discovered Ali g with some surgical Instruments.
Among the photos were some alleging to be his victims and some of females who were unknown.

All of the pictures were sent to face recognizing experts.

The experts reported back.

One thing they mentioned was that one of the photos of a unknown female had a 65% match to a known photo of Elizabeth Stride.

In the scientific world how significant or insignificant is a 65% match.
HH Holmes discovered Ali G?

Still...not the most ludicrous theory I have heard about the case.

Perhaps WT Stead discovered Borat?
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Old 09-26-2017, 02:18 PM
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The theory regarding H H Holmes being the ripper was not the question on the original post.
Had I wanted a opinion on weather H H Holmes was the ripper I would of posted that.
However thanks for taking the time out of your life to read the post.
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Old 09-26-2017, 02:20 PM
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The theory regarding H H Holmes being the ripper was not the question on the original post.
Had I wanted a opinion on weather H H Holmes was the ripper I would of posted that.
However thanks for taking the time out of your life to read the post.
I never commented on HH Holmes candidacy...all I did was make a joke about your typo?!?
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Old 09-26-2017, 02:24 PM
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I have just seen the typo , typical phone post
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Old 09-26-2017, 02:50 PM
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There isn't a known photo of Stride, other than the mortuary one obvs.
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Check the discussion in the Audio&Visual section about the program. The topic of the photo has been mentioned.

Personally a 65% match is poor in my mind. If you think about it, that leaves a 35% chance it's someone else. Not really good odds and far from proving something one way or another.



And of course let's not forget that the photo in question is not Liz Stride, and very unlikely to be the person identified as Catherine through other research either.

So a 65% match that can surely be said to be wrong. It's not of any scientific use at this point.

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I have just seen the typo , typical phone post
Wait....that was a typo....darn it... I was really hoping Ali G was involved

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Putting aside the photograph found in the box for a second.

How certain are we that the picture purported to be of Stride is in fact her?

I'd always been led to believe that it wasn't Stride, but please correct me if I'm misinformed?
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I've seen and heard this particular theory a lot lately. It seems that Mudgett is really pulling out the stops to get this in the popular mind's eye. Any time that I get a chance I raise several of the points mentioned here:

- Holmes tended to commit murders when he could make a profit off of them.
- Holmes' murders all seem to orient around some kind of scam or other.
- Holmes' had tools in the basement of the murder castle that would keep him from having to deal with all of the viscera associated with a dead body which is totally different from the way that JtR worked.
- Holmes' was busy ripping off contractors in 1888, it seems highly unlikely that he had opportunity to pop into jolly old London on at least four separate occasions for any reason to say nothing of compulsive murders.
- Chicago also had sex-workers. Were London sex-workers that much better for killing than the variety that Chicago grew?
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