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Old 07-05-2017, 02:59 AM
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So yet another TV episode saying they have the real jack the Ripper. this claim is HH Holmes. Anyone care to comment?
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So yet another TV episode saying they have the real jack the Ripper. this claim is HH Holmes. Anyone care to comment?
Yep. (Care to comment)

Nope (Holmes as Jacky boy)
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Old 07-05-2017, 04:08 AM
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Two completely different killers. HH Holmes killed for monetary profit.
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Old 07-05-2017, 05:28 AM
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Two completely different killers. HH Holmes killed for monetary profit.
...and additionally i guess he did not prefer the bloody mess like JtR did.
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Old 07-05-2017, 05:46 AM
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It wasn't H.H.H. He was a "thrifty" killer, as he sold the dissected skeletons of his victims to medical schools (supposedly) - they were dissected in special medical surgery rooms in his Chicago Murder Castle, built in the 1890s to get victims (tourists) going to the "World's Columbian Exposition" in Chicago.

Check out Erik Larson's "The Devil in the White City".


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Old 07-05-2017, 07:16 PM
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About as much evidence for Holmes being the Ripper as there is for Vincent Van Gogh being the Ripper.
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For your information the documentary series about H. H. Holmes being JtR starts tonight (Tuesday, July 11) on History Channel, here in the USA. Ads for it indicate he doubts that his ancestor was really executed, and intends to dig up the grave.

I'll watch it, out of an interest in Holmes, but I'm not expecting that we'll be crying "case closed!" afterwards.
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I'll be interviewing Adam Selzer, author of the book 'H.H. Holmes: How a Murderer Became a Devil' aka 'The True History of the White City Devil' along with Paul Begg and Jon Rees (both were filmed for the History Channel program and should be appearing in it) - this weekend for Rippercast.

We'll set the record straight.

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The first episode was interesting, but didn't tell me anything I didn't already know-- Mudgett was a strange kid, two of his cousins drowned mysteriously, he was bright and had a temper-- all the usual sociopath hallmarks. They discussed the layout of the Castle, how some corpses were dismembered to fit into the furnace (Torso Murders buffs, take note!), and found he was in Chicago buying up plots for his pet project as late as July 1888.
However, from then until April 1889, Holmes seems to vanish from the record in Chicago. Just the same period as the (canonical) Jack the Ripper murders! So where was he?
Next episode-- off to London!

The show does put the emphasis on research and evidence-gathering, and they have some big plans ahead, from excavation of the lawn near the old Post Office building (what now stands on the Castle's site) to exhuming Holmes' grave and doing a DNA test against the descendant to see if the killer was really buried there.

I'll wait and see how it develops.
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