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Old 12-21-2017, 02:30 PM
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I have both Graysmith books. The first one Zodiac is better than the one you read. he gets a little convoluted and hard to follow in the unmasked one. The first one is more concise. Hes reliable enough, a little biased to Allen of course but IMHO for good cause:

He was in the immediate area at the time.
Incriminating evidence was found in his home (same typewriter, explosives etc.)
He owned a zodiac watch.(this "coincidence" alone!)
He basically confessed to two people who confirm.
Bloody knife in car after LB murders.
He was former military.
He had a (bad)fascination with children-same as Z.
He came up as a suspect/POI twice independently by police (this is a bigee for me).
Surviving victim IDed him.(another bigee)
He fits the profile of thrill killer/"lovers lane" SK to a T. Loser, loner, no relationships with women (see Son of Sam).
He fits witness descriptions. (to add-I don't know what all this talk of he was bald-photos of him from the time frame show receding hair line with widows peak).

obviously theres more, but these are the main ones for me.

Regards to the exculpitary evidence:

The zodiac was a meticulous ADA type who created complicated codes, bomb systems and letters. He said he would cover his fingertips with glue. He was seen wiping down the cab. I think its fair to assess he could(and would) also then disguise his handwriting and leave no finger prints.

as far as DNA: Too early in the science and only partial DNA found anyway. He may have been wearing gloves and or used a sponge pad for envelopes/stamps as many people do anyway. The DNA could have been anyone who ever handled those items.
DNA evidence way to weak to rule anyone out based on it IMHO.

I'm not convinced he was the Z though, at about 80%. and definitely not disproven.




no. theyre focusing on two suspects now-Lawrence Kane and Ross Sullivan.

Kane really has nothing going for him and frankly I don't even know why he is a suspect.

Ross Sullivan has a bit more going for him. he worked at the library where bates was killed and the staff there thought he was her killer. Newly found handwriting of Ross seems to have a lot of similarities with the Z. also apparently the show has found new DNA evidence at scene of crimes(on bates pants and on gloves found in stines cab) and looks like they will try to match to Z and possibly Ross. I'm skeptical about ross mainly because they cant even tie him to SF area.
Thanks for that Abby,

I nearly bought his first book but went for ‘unmasked.’ And thanks for the assessment of ALE. If he wasnt Zodiac then he seemed to go out of his way to make himself fit as a suspect.
Do you know how the History Channel series ended? Is it Case Closed?
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Thanks for that Abby,

I nearly bought his first book but went for ‘unmasked.’ And thanks for the assessment of ALE. If he wasnt Zodiac then he seemed to go out of his way to make himself fit as a suspect.
Do you know how the History Channel series ended? Is it Case Closed?
you mean Arthur Leigh Allen? lol. not sure who ALE is.

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I'm not really following to closely not sure-I hear they might stretch it out to another season, so god knows when we get there results or final conclusions back. These pseudo docus really suck. I'm sure if its anything important well actually hear it on the real news. From my earlier post, on where they are now as far as I know:

theyre focusing on two suspects now-Lawrence Kane and Ross Sullivan.

Kane really has nothing going for him and frankly I don't even know why he is a suspect.

Ross Sullivan has a bit more going for him. he worked at the library where bates was killed and the staff there thought he was her killer. Newly found handwriting of Ross seems to have a lot of similarities with the Z. also apparently the show has found new DNA evidence at scene of crimes(on bates pants and on gloves found in stines cab) and looks like they will try to match to Z and possibly Ross. I'm skeptical about ross mainly because they cant even tie him to SF area.
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The zodiac was a meticulous ADA type who created complicated codes, bomb systems and letters. He said he would cover his fingertips with glue. He was seen wiping down the cab. I think its fair to assess he could(and would) also then disguise his handwriting and leave no finger prints.
Except for the bloodied fingerprints left in Stine's cab?
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you mean Arthur Leigh Allen? lol. not sure who ALE is.



I'm not really following to closely not sure-I hear they might stretch it out to another season, so god knows when we get there results or final conclusions back. These pseudo docus really suck. I'm sure if its anything important well actually hear it on the real news. From my earlier post, on where they are now as far as I know:

theyre focusing on two suspects now-Lawrence Kane and Ross Sullivan.

Kane really has nothing going for him and frankly I don't even know why he is a suspect.

Ross Sullivan has a bit more going for him. he worked at the library where bates was killed and the staff there thought he was her killer. Newly found handwriting of Ross seems to have a lot of similarities with the Z. also apparently the show has found new DNA evidence at scene of crimes(on bates pants and on gloves found in stines cab) and looks like they will try to match to Z and possibly Ross. I'm skeptical about ross mainly because they cant even tie him to SF area.
Don’t know how I managed to get ALE (then again ALE = BEER) It should have read ALA of course.
The ‘cliffhanger’ at the end of episode three was that a guy claimed that he’d cracked one of the major cyphers (is it the 340?) and at the end of it he found the word KANE.

If we had a ripper suspect with the same amount of evidence against him as there is against Allen he’d surely stand alone at the top of the tree?
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There is some circumstantial evidence against Arthur Leigh Allen but none of the handwriting, fingerprints or DNA were a match for him. Now, perhaps Allen did disguise his handwriting, and someone else licked the stamps and sealed the envelopes, although that's kinda fishy. But the palm prints recovered from one of the letters and the inside of Stine's cab would appear to be more conclusive.
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Season 2 has already been announced.

The show started out strong, but got repetitive and wishy-washy as it went along
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I think the series on History Channel is called The Hunt for....and then they fill in the rest with a famous true crime case name. I've already seen one on the Unabomber.

http://www.history.com/shows/the-hun...1 222080524:s

Re Sullivan, his murder was in Southern California. They have tried to suggest the victim was an early one of the Zodiac Killer, but it seems unconvincing to me.

Kane is a possibility for ZK.
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I think the series on History Channel is called The Hunt for....and then they fill in the rest with a famous true crime case name. I've already seen one on the Unabomber.

http://www.history.com/shows/the-hun...1 222080524:s

Re Sullivan, his murder was in Southern California. They have tried to suggest the victim was an early one of the Zodiac Killer, but it seems unconvincing to me.

Kane is a possibility for ZK.
What’s the evidence for him?
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What’s the evidence for him?
It's in the documentary "The Hunt For" series. I think he killed the woman at Lake Tahoe, and that postcard related to it included puzzles and codes similar to the later ZK letters. He had military background and more code experience than Ross Sullivan, who apparently only checked out library books on the subject. He also had location connection to Northern California and the Bay area, far more so than Sullivan.
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Thanks hs.
I’m gonna get.

Also, responded to your zodiac post, not sure if you saw.
Hi Abby,

Just finished In The Wake Of The Butcher. Well worth it in my opinion. Well written and balanced. It had be Sweeney. Surely?
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