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  • #31
    I would be really interested to hear the theories from the 2 posters who voted for Emily Horsnell. Care to share?
    Best regards,
    Adam


    "They assumed Kelly was the last... they assumed wrong" - Me

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    • #32
      I'd be interested in that as well.
      This my opinion and to the best of my knowledge, that is, if I'm not joking.

      Stan Reid

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      • #33
        Are both the votes for "Another" for a sort of generic unknown?
        This my opinion and to the best of my knowledge, that is, if I'm not joking.

        Stan Reid

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        • #34
          Originally posted by perrymason View Post
          Hi Stan,

          For Jack the Ripper Id say Mary Ann Nichols. For the Whitechapel Murderer, rather Murderers,... Id say Emma. I think the "gang" that killed Emma is indicative of some types that were prevalent in the area, and independently they probably account for most of the 13 or 14 murders that are often suggested as possible Ripper crimes.

          Some nasty types in there 2....maybe a Butcher, a Baker, or a Torso maker.

          Cheers
          p*ss off
          Emma Peel
          _______________________

          "Ay, in the very temple of Delight
          Veil'd Melancholy has her sovran shrine"
          ~ John Keats 'Ode to Melancholy' Stanza 3

          "Caressing an old man
          And painting a lifeless face
          Just a piece of new meat in a clean room"

          ~ The Cure 'One Hundred Years' Pornography

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          • #35
            Does anyone think that Jack may have murdered before 1886?
            This my opinion and to the best of my knowledge, that is, if I'm not joking.

            Stan Reid

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            • #36
              Originally posted by sdreid View Post
              I think Millwood did die as a result of the attack. Doctors in 1888 knew less about medicine than an EMT knows now.
              Hi Stan,

              I too think Millwood died as a result of the attack, but the problem wasn't medicine.
              As noted, Dr Arthur, who had discharged her as cured, conducted the post-mortem...

              Whatever, if it was Jack and if he intended to murder her, it wasn't a great achievement... And in March, he also failed to kill Ada Wilson.
              Therefore (since there is no murder for which he could be suspected in 1887) I think he didn't kill until 1888.

              Amitiés,
              David

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              • #37
                Perhaps it could have been a cya David.

                It looks like at least 3 people think that there is a murder from 1887 that he could have committed.
                Last edited by sdreid; 03-06-2010, 07:10 AM.
                This my opinion and to the best of my knowledge, that is, if I'm not joking.

                Stan Reid

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                • #38
                  If it can be agreed upon that Chapman and Eddowes were killed by the same hand who we call Jack the Ripper, it is interesting as to how differences between these and the Tabram murder now appear to be explained away whereas differences in the Stride murder appear to be emphasized. I'm not being critical; I just think it is an interesting intellectual shift.

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                  • #39
                    Possible victims before 1887 are Emma Jackson, Harriet Buswell, Catherine Mellows. I find them extremely unlikely though.
                    Best regards,
                    Adam


                    "They assumed Kelly was the last... they assumed wrong" - Me

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                    • #40
                      Hello you all!

                      An intriguing question!

                      I think, that all we can say, is, that Polly Nicholls was the first known victim!

                      All the best
                      Jukka
                      "When I know all about everything, I am old. And it's a very, very long way to go!"

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                      • #41
                        Hi Jukka,

                        I have little doubt that the murder spree started in 1888, and little doubt that Nichols wasn't the first victim.

                        Most of serial killers start killing before one can recognize a distinct MO.

                        Amitiés,
                        David

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                        • #42
                          Hello David!

                          And that's exactly, why I said, that Polly Nicholls was the "first known" victim!

                          All the best
                          Jukka
                          "When I know all about everything, I am old. And it's a very, very long way to go!"

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                          • #43
                            I guess if thought Jack's first murder was an unknown then that would be a vote for "Another".
                            This my opinion and to the best of my knowledge, that is, if I'm not joking.

                            Stan Reid

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                            • #44
                              Martha gets my vote and I honestly can't tell you why aside from the feeling I've always had that she was the first.

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                              • #45
                                Definitely going to go with Martha Tabram. It just doesn't wash with me that Jack decided out of the blue, with no criminal or violent past at all, to go and start mutilating women in the way he did with the Canonical 5.

                                I think he probably had a history in petty crime - specifically assaults and disorderly's - and that Martha then became his first actual murder victim. The 39 stabs indicates a frenzied attack based on the senselessness of the number of stabs and where they were located.

                                If you include Martha in the list of victims, (and exclude Liz because although I believe her killer was JTR, I also believe he was interrupted before mutilating the abdomen) there is a very clear pattern of rising brutality throughout the series, as his confidence and experience improved, peaking with the savagery of the MJK murder.

                                Cheers,
                                Adam.

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