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Old 03-06-2018, 05:15 PM
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And you have to wonder why some apparently misplaced anger against some Jews who really did nothing "Jewish" would somehow take precedence over the fact that he apparently killed two women on the same night. Why not brag about that or at least make some sort of passing reference to it? Or better yet, why not incorporate both themes? "Next time it will be three women and even a 1,000 dirty Jews won't be able to stop me." The message simply doesn't make a lot of sense in light of the circumstances.

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Hello CD,

This is what I was getting at.

If the killer wrote the GSG and left the apron there to authenticate it, what purpose did this serve? He didn't make any reference to the murders, and none of his victims were Jewish. The killer also never took his beef up with the Jews ever again. No bloody graffiti left in Miller's Court, nothing.
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Hello CD,

This is what I was getting at.

If the killer wrote the GSG and left the apron there to authenticate it, what purpose did this serve? He didn't make any reference to the murders, and none of his victims were Jewish. The killer also never took his beef up with the Jews ever again. No bloody graffiti left in Miller's Court, nothing.
Hello Harry,

Ok. So we are in agreement. I find myself for the most part agreeing with you on a number of things regarding this case. And I do think the lack of a Miller's Court message is quite telling and is an argument against the killer writing the GSG. I also have to imagine that in light of the GSG that Abberline would have told his men to look for a similar message there which is why I find it hard to believe that an "F" and and "M" could have been prominent without being noticed.

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Hello Harry and Abby,

As you say, the message is open to interpretation which is my point exactly. So no matter how many arguments you can amass (and yes, you listed good ones) to show that it was most likely anti-semitic that is still a guess. Only one person knows with absolute certainty and that individual is its author.

Now while it can be argued as to how much danger the killer put himself in by taking the time to stop and write the message, there had to be some degree of risk however slight. I don't see the events of that night justifying the rage against Jews that led to him taking that risk. They simply appear to be people basically minding their own business who somehow got in the killer's way and they just happened to be Jewish. But was their being Jewish the cause of getting in his way? I just don't see that. Now he could have had strong anti-semitic feelings prior to that evening and this just threw more fuel on the fire. But then why such an ambiguous, wishy washy message if he was willing to take the risk to write it? Why not something along the lines of all Jews are scum and deserve to be in hell? The whole anti-Jewish argument seems like a stretch to me.

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Or a very clever Jew pretending to be a rabid Jew hater.

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Hello CD,

This is what I was getting at.

If the killer wrote the GSG and left the apron there to authenticate it, what purpose did this serve? He didn't make any reference to the murders, and none of his victims were Jewish. The killer also never took his beef up with the Jews ever again. No bloody graffiti left in Miller's Court, nothing.
Well he referenced the murders by leaving the bloody apron. And didnít do it again at Kellyís maybe because he wasnít interrupted by a bunch of Jews that night.
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Or a very clever Jew pretending to be a rabid Jew hater.

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Or a very clever gentile pretending to be a very clever Jew pretending to be a rabid Jew hater.
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Well he referenced the murders by leaving the bloody apron. And didnít do it again at Kellyís maybe because he wasnít interrupted by a bunch of Jews that night.
But if he has this intense hatred of Jews for interrupting him that night why does the GSG not seem to reflect that hatred?

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Brilliant stuff from Mr. Normal.
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But if he has this intense hatred of Jews for interrupting him that night why does the GSG not seem to reflect that hatred?

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Perhaps the author thought the murder and mutilation of Eddowes was an angry statement in itself.
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But if he has this intense hatred of Jews for interrupting him that night why does the GSG not seem to reflect that hatred?

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Hi cd
That’s a good question. And it goes along also with why is it so ambiguous.
And I agree. One would think it would be more definite, angry, refer to the murders and written larger.

If there weren’t so many things going on that night that tie into the gsg being authentic I would discount just for these reasons.

I can only assume the killer had his reasons.


Now what’s even weirder about it is even if it wasn’t written by the killer it’s strange graffiti. Most written graffiti is simple to understand the point and writtten large. I mean why would any graffiti writer write something small and ambiguous?

Good chat.
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